This is simply awful. - Page 3 - U2 Feedback

Go Back   U2 Feedback > Lypton Village > Free Your Mind > Free Your Mind Archive
Click Here to Login
Thread Tools Search this Thread Display Modes
Old 07-12-2002, 07:30 PM   #41
Rock n' Roll Doggie
oliveu2cm's Avatar
Join Date: Jun 2001
Location: Live from Boston
Posts: 8,334
Local Time: 09:06 PM
Hey Foray,

I didn't think you were supporting it, but anytime people try to justify this it makes me a little uneasy.

Anyway I think this is comparing apples & oranges. The draft has happened twice (I believe) in its history; FGM happens to nearly (if not every) women in these cultures. They do not have the freedoms we have to get something changed if we do not like it. They don't even have the freedoms to show their face in public.

I don't have enough facts to argue/discuss the draft issue, but I do not think you can compare the two, one doesn't make the other "right" or cancel the severity of the other.


oliveu2cm is offline  
Old 07-12-2002, 08:41 PM   #42
Rock n' Roll Doggie
U2Bama's Avatar
Join Date: Oct 2000
Location: Gulf Coast State of Mine
Posts: 3,405
Local Time: 08:06 PM

The more I learn about the "dark side" of various cultures around the world, the more "culturally intolerant" I become.


U2Bama is offline  
Old 07-15-2002, 11:43 AM   #43
Rock n' Roll Doggie
hiphop's Avatar
Join Date: Apr 2001
Location: in the jungle
Posts: 7,410
Local Time: 03:06 AM
Originally posted by U2Bama
The more I learn about the "dark side" of various cultures around the world, the more "culturally intolerant" I become.

Then you should remind yourself that there are "light sides". Iīm not talking of outweighing there, and I am not saying you should tolerate practices as stated above. But I think intolerance is not the right way, it wonīt make things any better. I know many African people who are against those practices.

But half-heartedly, I can follow what you say - itīs just that I see a complex of cultures differently. I have been accused of being intolerant towards America, being the country that was involved in over 90% of armed conflicts throughout the world in the year 2000. I think we can speak of a certain culture in policy here, too (even if Iīm far from comparing soldiers and women). But I still respect America for a lot of things, like stated in one of my earlier posts.

Consider yourself lucky that you can afford to push your "cultural intolerance", that our counties are so rich.

Ok, now itīs stupid comparison time again, gets a classic on Interferencerīs discussions (this oneīs especially 4 Bubba, my metaphoric love ).

Imagine that Africans say:

"Oh, look how degenerated the American culture is, for its way of dealing with food. Look at how animals are treated. Do they ask them a simple sorry before they kill them cruelly? Nooo. Do they ask them if they are allowed to kill them to provide necessary food for their family? Nooo. They come neatly prepackaged, theyīre unable to touch blood! And imagine... wohohoooo... they even have pets! They make a distinction between their beloved dog and the bull going into the next Big Mac! Now isnīt this a bewildering, cruel culture."

Now, if Africa is looking at us mildly bewildered, ok. If Africans form Anti-McDonalds ProAnimals groups, ok (needless to say they wonīt do that because they really have other things to worry about, f.e. not to starve). If they try to change things slowly, to explain, to educate f.e. for different forms of dealing with food production, beautiful. Like us vice versa.

But if they condemned all America, every American, the American culture, they would be wrong, wouldnīt they? Apart from the differences in strength between the two powers, that Iīm not going to lay out here, because everyone knows, and the extreme thievery of resources practised by our western world in Africa.

To jump back to the original theme: Even if some things go, in our opinion, the wrong way in Africa, this continent doesnīt deserve "cultural" or any other intolerance, but deserves our help (and not our "cultural", but our financial help - - - which doesnīt include foreign direct investment).
hiphop is offline  
Old 07-15-2002, 06:14 PM   #44
Rock n' Roll Doggie
U2Bama's Avatar
Join Date: Oct 2000
Location: Gulf Coast State of Mine
Posts: 3,405
Local Time: 08:06 PM

I stand corrected.

I guess I was looking at it the same way I live my life. I am not perfect and I have faults. But if I am at the grocery store and I see a guy beating up his wife and/or kids, I will do something to stop it.

I view cultures the same way. Western culture admittedly has problems; I will not claim that it is innocent. But rather than accepting the attrocities committed under the excuse/cover of "culture" and "tradition," I think that, as a good friend once said, "maybe it is the culture that needs some improvement."

Perhaps I should have worded my initial statement differently; it is not the entire culture of any group that I am intolerant of, but there are many cultures that continue acts that I do not tolerate, or "accept." I will never tolerate genital mutilation, "honor killings," execution of "apostates," dimmi systems, caste systems, "racial supremacy," suppression of women/amputees/gays/the list goes on, etc.

U2Bama is offline  
Old 07-15-2002, 06:59 PM   #45
Blue Crack Addict
verte76's Avatar
Join Date: May 2002
Location: hoping for changes
Posts: 23,331
Local Time: 01:06 AM
Originally posted by adamswildhoney
This is horrible! Im totally disgusted with how some people treat other people. It makes me very angry that things like this happen to innocent people!

Me too. That's all I can say. It's an atrocity.

verte76 is offline  

Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off

All times are GMT -5. The time now is 08:06 PM.

Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.8 Beta 1
Copyright ©2000 - 2021, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.
Design, images and all things inclusive copyright ÂĐ