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Old 07-19-2007, 10:10 PM   #1
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This guy gives me hope for the future of true Christianity

http://www.motherjones.com/interview...jaybakker.html

I've always loved his mom and dad, regardless of what people say about them. His mother especially is such an example of true godly woman the best way she knew how; by being who she is.

I'm glad he's following her example. I hope to hear a lot more from him in the future. All I can say is thank God for using people like Jaime who know how to love unconditonally without judgement. That's what my Bible says love is.
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Well I'm no fan of his parents but I like this article.
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Yeah, he's doing some cool things.
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As a Christian, this is one of the most encouraging articles I've read in a very long time.
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Coincidentally, I saw him on Larry King last night. He was great! Just a cool regular guy. But he didn't talk about his faith, it was about his mother who's dying of cancer. Poor Tammy Faye was on the show weighing 65 lbs and in her own scary way, kind of radiant and wonderful. She broke my heart a little bit. Despite my distaste for evangelicals in general, Tammy Faye is a great lady. She was just about the first person to ever publicly talk about AIDs back in the early 80s and embraced gays like no evangelical has ever done since. You just have to love Tammy Faye.
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^ i saw that too. my landlord and i were *shocked* at Tammy Faye's appearance. the poor thing. her son seems cool, and though she was before my time, i do appreciate that she acknowledge the AIDS crisis long before Reagan did.
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^ Yeah, it was totally shocking. I don't know how she has the strength to smile, let alone be a talk show guest.

So I just actually read the article on Jay Bakker and he's very cool. Some quotes I like:

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[Punk’s] loyalty and not conforming to what everyone else is into—that’s definitely something that we are. That’s who Jesus was. He was crucified, in my opinion, because he didn’t conform; he loved everybody. He was inclusive rather than exclusive. And that made a lot of people angry. That’s the way I try to live. I don’t probably live that way all the time, but I try to.
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MJ.com: You preached about Ted Haggard a few weeks ago. What was your response to his scandal?

JB: Well, my response was that we may not see eye-to-eye with this guy, but he deserves to be restored. He deserves to be loved and helped. To me, it was sad because I felt like he was automatically kicked out of the church. Why do we keep doing this, when the church is about forgiveness? Jesus explains that the church is like a hospital. But this hospital doesn’t want to let any sick people in.
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^^^LOVED those! He's absolutely right.

Here's a link to his church's website, http://www.revolutionnyc.com/
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Tammy Faye has died.
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Wow, that was pretty surprising to me. She looked terrible on Larry King this week, but not terrible enough that I thought she'd die within a couple of days. I think she was suffering quite a lot though.
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Wow, that was pretty surprising to me. She looked terrible on Larry King this week, but not terrible enough that I thought she'd die within a couple of days. I think she was suffering quite a lot though.
Odd, because watching that interview creeped me out because I felt like I was watching her last moments. It seriously disturbed me to see that.


RIP Tammy.
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Odd, because watching that interview creeped me out because I felt like I was watching her last moments. It seriously disturbed me to see that.
Really? I guess when my grandmother died a couple of months ago, she wasn't able to speak for a couple of weeks and was just lying there, wasting away. So to me, Tammy Faye looked rather lively in comparison.
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RIP Tammy, I'll miss you.
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Really? I guess when my grandmother died a couple of months ago, she wasn't able to speak for a couple of weeks and was just lying there, wasting away. So to me, Tammy Faye looked rather lively in comparison.
That's understandable.


I'm normally the least squeamish person, I can stomach anything, but when that interview was on I had to look away and beg my Mom to change the channel, I couldn't stand watching someone who, as I said, looked so weak like they could die at any moment. It's going to be hard to take that image out of my head.
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Tammy Faye Messner Dies at 65
http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories...TAM&SECTION=US
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Re: This guy gives me hope for the future of true Christianity

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http://www.motherjones.com/interview...jaybakker.html

I've always loved his mom and dad, regardless of what people say about them. His mother especially is such an example of true godly woman the best way she knew how; by being who she is.

I'm glad he's following her example. I hope to hear a lot more from him in the future. All I can say is thank God for using people like Jaime who know how to love unconditonally without judgement. That's what my Bible says love is.


The Bible also has a lot to say about sin.

Jaime's mistake, in my view, is not reaching out and loving homosexuals, but not telling the truth about sin.

Homosexuality is clearly defined, in my reading and understanding, as a sin according to the scriptures.

I realize that many here will disagree andI hope this thread does not dissolve into a debate on homosexuality. I'm just stating my belief, not trying to convince anyone.

I'm just saying that Jaime Baker is not, too me, some great leader I should follow for 'true Christainity.'

That T. J. Jakes or whatever his name is...

I don't follow him either.
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I don't "follow" him, but we all have to have people we look up to in some sense to help guide us on our faith walk. Jaime and T.D. Jakes happen to be a couple of mine. I happen to feel similar to Jaime on the issue of homosexuality, and I really am not interested in any self-righteous ass's take on my opinion. I've felt that way for quite some time now, and I can say that Jaime had nothing to do with it. I was just listening to Jaime's messages where he talks extensively about this issue, and he said what I've always thought: In the end who really cares what I, or you, or anyone else thinks of this issue? I'm saved because I belive Jesus died for my sins, not for my stance on any political/social issue. (Please don't think I'm referring to you with that! I'm not! That's just a general statement about a lot of the Christian world)
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Re: Re: This guy gives me hope for the future of true Christianity

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The Bible also has a lot to say about sin.

Jaime's mistake, in my view, is not reaching out and loving homosexuals, but not telling the truth about sin.

Homosexuality is clearly defined, in my reading and understanding, as a sin according to the scriptures.

I realize that many here will disagree andI hope this thread does not dissolve into a debate on homosexuality. I'm just stating my belief, not trying to convince anyone.

I'm just saying that Jaime Baker is not, too me, some great leader I should follow for 'true Christainity.'

That T. J. Jakes or whatever his name is...

I don't follow him either.
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Do you have any other issues with Bakker beyond his "gay-affirming" church? The vibe I got from that interview with him was not at all the TV Religion vibe or the T.D. Jakes vibe (though I know nothing about Jakes, I suppose he's more the big megachurch, picture of him plastered on a billboard plus best-selling book type, at least based on appearance. . .which of course is a horrible way to judge. . .at any rate I didn't get the impression that Bakker was anything like that).
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Re: Re: This guy gives me hope for the future of true Christianity

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Jaime's mistake, in my view, is not reaching out and loving homosexuals, but not telling the truth about sin.

Homosexuality is clearly defined, in my reading and understanding, as a sin according to the scriptures.

I realize that many here will disagree andI hope this thread does not dissolve into a debate on homosexuality. I'm just stating my belief, not trying to convince anyone.
Well, you're opening that can of worms by making a bold, misinterpreted statement like that.
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Jaime's mistake, in my view, is not reaching out and loving homosexuals, but not telling the truth about sin.

And can I just say that I find it really frustrating, the implication here that people like Bakker are taking this stand because "they don't care about sin."

It should be quite clear from Bakker's interview that his stand is NOT based on lackadaisical view of sin. . .He's taken the stand he has because to take any other stand, in his view, WOULD be sin. It would be wrong and he cannot violate his conscience, what he believes God is telling him to do.

Now you can argue that he's mistaken and maybe he is (and maybe he isn't). But lets not have this pablum about not telling the truth about sin.
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