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Old 07-22-2007, 07:04 PM   #41
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A while ago I began to believe that the entire notion of sin is kind of nonsensical to me. Don't believe in it, and don't believe in hell either.


A person can have a strong sense of right and wrong

have very good values

have decent morals

without the concept of sin.

Sin permits and encourages judgements on some actions or behaviors that many times are not the judgers business at all.
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Yes, thank you BonoVoxSupastar,

Doing our research from the Metropolitan Community Church site
should give us a fair and balanced view on the topic.

Would it be fair to suggest a topic should be researched from all points of view to help one form an opinion?
I post that link because it's one that is pretty percise, easy to understand, and it's one of the few I've found that is all encompassing rather than just addressing one line or one book.

It's a good place to START, and she does list her sources.

It's much better than just taking your translation at face value which is what it looks like to me...
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Yes, thank you BonoVoxSupastar,

Doing our research from the Metropolitan Community Church site
should give us a fair and balanced view on the topic.

Would it be fair to suggest a topic should be researched from all points of view to help one form an opinion?
Yes, why bother actually reading what they said and checking their sources (which, incidentally, seem to be peer-reviewed ones) when you can just make a snap judgement based on who it's from instead? It's just not possible that they might have approached this neutrally and tried to avoid bias, is it?

Judge the article on its merits rather than discarding it due to your bias against the website it's on.
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A person can have a strong sense of right and wrong

have very good values

have decent morals

without the concept of sin.

Sin permits and encourages judgements on some actions or behaviors that many times are not the judgers business at all.
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Yes, thank you BonoVoxSupastar,

Doing our research from the Metropolitan Community Church site
should give us a fair and balanced view on the topic.

Would it be fair to suggest a topic should be researched from all points of view to help one form an opinion?
Read a Melon/Ormus post and come up with a rebuttal to his research, evidence, and analysis that states that modern homosexuality is not addressed in the Bible.

In fact, I'll help you out and link it: http://forum.interference.com/showth...&pagenumber=15

I've linked this many times, because it's so good. Read his post, the last one on the linked page.
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What does this mean to you?

THAT OLD TESTAMENT BOOK STILL APPLIES.
You're going to illustrate for me why it is so easy to take a verse from the Bible out of context. Why? Because Matthew defines the ambiguous phrase "the law and the prophets" later in the book:

"Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfill." - Matthew 5:17

"Do to others whatever you would have them do to you. This is the law and the prophets." - Matthew 7:12

My suggestion, at this point, would be to exercise the Biblical value of humility.
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Homosexuality is clearly defined, in my reading and understanding, as a sin according to the scriptures.
It certainly looks like I have my work cut out for me when I get back from work later today, because I will point out, in excruciating detail, why this is completely wrong.
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It certainly looks like I have my work cut out for me when I get back from work later today, because I will point out, in excruciating detail, why this is completely wrong.
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It certainly looks like I have my work cut out for me when I get back from work later today, because I will point out, in excruciating detail, why this is completely wrong.
will this be Melon's sexy long anticipated post?
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will this be Melon's sexy long anticipated post?
This could be a milestone moment, folks. . .

Stay tuned to see if this, will indeed, be the long awaited return of Melon.
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... just so long as it isn't scored to Journey and he doesn't fade to black right before the end ...
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... just so long as it isn't scored to Journey and he doesn't fade to black right before the end ...
OHMIGOD! Melon's Internet must have cut out right when he was about to reveal the true meaning of life!
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It certainly looks like I have my work cut out for me when I get back from work later today, because I will point out, in excruciating detail, why this is completely wrong.
Actually, I've realized how "excruciating" my details are, if I write everything that I want to write. As such, I don't think I'm going to complete this tonight, but I am going to continue to write until I am done.

So, folks, stay tuned.
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Ok, I will go to bed then to be fit tomorrow.
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I'm legitimately excited for this.

I doubt that most of the people who it addresses will listen, but if you get at least someone to take notice, it's doing good work.
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I'm legitimately excited for this.

I doubt that most of the people who it addresses will listen, but if you get at least someone to take notice, it's doing good work.
You can read quite a bit of it by doing a search on this forum. Ormus/Melon has written volumes on it - much of it is very compelling and well thought out.
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Actually, I've realized how "excruciating" my details are, if I write everything that I want to write. As such, I don't think I'm going to complete this tonight, but I am going to continue to write until I am done.

So, folks, stay tuned.
Geez, this is worse than waiting for the final Harry Potter book. . .

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A little sumfin that made me while we're waiting for Ormus.



Amen, Rev!
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The Bible says a lot of things - Iron Horse's statement is only 'controversial' to those who choose to identify with the 'liberal' strand within Christianity.

It may make liberal Christians uncomfortable when they are reminded of the strictures on homosexuality as set out by St Paul - in a similar fashion, Christians of a conservative bent may recoil when, whilst appealing to Biblical junctures to buttress their support for the death penalty against adult criminals, precepts from the same book which advocate child-killing are brought to their attention.

When all is said and done, the debate is largely irrelevant to those of us who prefer not to believe in a story book written by sheep-herders two thousand years ago.
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