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As you make you're decision on a new president think long and hard about this...
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Glenn Beck? I could make a better man out of a banana.
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on this issue, glenn is right on the money-no pun.
on the whole glenn beck is an out the box thinker and a righteous man. dbs |
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It's really the biggest issue we have.
Bigger than the war. And it also tells us exactly what's wrong with our country. In 2004 when Bush was re-elected, he spent all of his political capital from that re-election trying to push that shitty plan of his through Congress. Crap plan and it left the Republicans impotent on the issue. The Democrats were quick to point out how shitty the plan was and yet, haven't offered up anything as an alternative. Once again, the party of bad ideas vs the party of no ideas. I've said it from the jump, the two party system fails this country. It's going to take sacrifice and there isn't a politican in DC willing to step up to the plate and risk his/her re-election to tell the public the truth about this issue. The Republicans cutting taxes, which IMO does for the economy like bailing water out of a leaky boat with a luxury deck. It keeps you from sinking, does nothing to solve the actual problem and the people up top, never get wet. The Democrats sit around arguing about how shitty the boat is and describing the ideal boat with no idea how to put that boat on the drawing board. They then fudge the numbers on what the price is. They are afraid to tell you what their ambitions will cost you. I don't really like Glenn Beck but I agree with him here. |
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This has NOTHING to do with Glenn Beck. You need to set that aside and pay attection to the issue because it disturbing and true. Its a good article.
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I don't think these kids can. It's kill the messenger first examine the message later and justify the killing even later in these parts ![]() dbs |
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The only thing I don't like about the article is he gives the U.S. public too much credit. Most people really don't want the truth because the truth is too scary but we need to start dealing with it. That is shown just in the first few posts on this thread. Non of our candidates like to talk about it either. Not going into who I like but one thing I can say is Ron Paul is the only one I have heard that actually has a plan. Wheather he's right or wrong I don't know but at least he has the guts to put it on the table. |
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I think I'd assign more weight to the opinions of a real, actual, qualified economist (and one who has been writing about the issue for years) than Glen Beck:- Quote:
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Yes, it's an important issue, but does Beck know what he's talking about? Does he attack it correctly? No. Come on you two, do a little research and quit letting this guy speak for you. |
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I liked Obama's speech on Wall Street today, because he told it like it is.
1. The Republicans have been trying to get rid of social security since the 1930's. 2. The tax cut economic and trickle down free theory don't create long term economic growth. Investing in a country's infrastructure does. Education, roads, high tech jobs, etc.. 3. Tax cuts and wars create inflation for a country. Anyone that has taken macro economics knows this. I guess Bush was asleep during economics 101. 4. What America needs to do is increase taxes on the richest 10 and 1%. Including make them pay their share of Social Security taxes for their full income no just on $90,000. All us poor Americans are paying more then they are, so it wouldn't hurt Bill Gates too much to pay his share. He couldn't spend the money he makes in a lifetime and he can't take it with him when he dies. 5. Keep the estate tax because it only will affect the rich, and they inherited the money anyway, so they don't know about doing without. Bush wants to get rid of it but he was born with a silver spoon in his mouth. 6. The richest 1% have been selling Bullsh*t to Americans for the past 30 years, because they want to bring back the 19th America of low wages, long hours and debtors prison. What a scam. |
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http://www.house.gov/paul/tst/tst2004/tst102504.htm http://www.lewrockwell.com/paul/paul217.html http://www.brillig.com/debt_clock/ http://salem-news.com/articles/march...ed_3-15-08.php http://zfacts.com/p/461.html http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_public_debt http://www.federalbudget.com/ http://www.cedarcomm.com/~stevelm1/usdebt.htm http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/17424874/ |
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Come on you two, do a little research and quit letting this guy speak for you" Just tell why the article is wrong. I really want to know. Explain yourself. |
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And go and read ALL the links you provided. They all talk about the same issue, but they don't offer the same conclusions. Right now we have three canidates all are talking about the same issues(for the most part), but are they offering the same conclusions? Do they attack the issues in the same manner? No. Go and find out which ones make the most sense. Believe me, Beck isn't the one you need to be listening to... Take him out of the equation and figure out what we need to do. |
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If anything, I think the corporatists would benefit from the collapse of Social Security. It would basically become privatized by default. Corporate news media don't even properly cover the story because it bores the ever growing and over-saturated ADD crowd. It doesn't make them money like a good ol' fashioned Jeremiah Wright soundbite or Paris Hilton gaffe. I think it benefits the fatcats to keep this off the front burner. What am I missing? |
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I think Beck is largely just another self-righteous moralizer. Nothing worse than a recovering "sinner" who plays the accusatory redeemer. If you've seen him talk about his addictions, you've probably also seen him point out the flaws of anyone else.
That said, Beck didn't even offer up a suggestion as far as I could tell. The way I read it was that Beck was talking about a grotesque inaction on the part of our so-called 'leaders' to do anything about it. I appreciate the fact that somebody at least wants to talk about it. Beats the campaign tit-for-tat bullshit. Beck is probably as qualified to talk about economics as I am but that doesn't diminish the importance of the subject itself. Just want to go on record, that's what I was agreeing with. I personally can't stand him for many reasons but I don't know what that has to do with the subject at hand. |
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