THEOCRACY WATCH!!! Texas Gov signs anti-gay, anti-choice legislation in church

[indra]

I am a Texas Republican.

Ah.

 

[80sU2isBest]

Ah"

What does that mean? Why even waste your time if you're just going to type a meaningless "ah"?

I would much rather hear you whisper sweet nothings in my ear like you have in the past; you know, things like "you're the type of Christian who makes me want to vomit".

Oh my, those were the days.

 

[verte76]

I would say that while it's true that some consertative Republicans are spearheading the current anti-gay campaign, it's not fair to blame Joe or Joan Q. Conservative Republican for the campaign. How do we know if these ordinary Republicans particularly support the anti-gay campaign? Perhaps some of them are actually more in the Barry Goldwater "don't meddle in the affairs of ordinary people" tradition?

 

[melon]

I would say that while it's true that some consertative Republicans are spearheading the current anti-gay campaign, it's not fair to blame Joe or Joan Q. Conservative Republican for the campaign. How do we know if these ordinary Republicans particularly support the anti-gay campaign? Perhaps some of them are actually more in the Barry Goldwater "don't meddle in the affairs of ordinary people" tradition?

I think its safe to say that most Texas Republicans aren't "Barry Goldwater" Republicans, considering the kind of wackos they elect in that state.

Melon

 

[martha]

it's not fair to blame Joe or Joan Q. Conservative Republican for the campaign. How do we know if these ordinary Republicans particularly support the anti-gay campaign?

Because Mr. and Mrs. J. Q. Conservative Republican vote for those bigots who have initiated the anti-gay campaigns. Look around, look for the tearful protests when two people who love each other attempt to get married. That's your everyday Conservative Republican nowadays. It's completely fair to blame them for the actions of the people they put in office.

And it's completely fair to blame the rest of us for allowing it to happen as well. Until the rest of us stand up, vote, and protest more loudly, then we're to blame too.

 

[melon]

I think we should organize protests against Christian events every time they have one. Because every time there's a gay event, there's always some fucking Christians harrassing them.

Melon

 

[80sU2isBest]

melon, when Christians start throwing public parades in which they wear dog collars and simulate s & m, I'll be standing right there next to you protesting.

By the way, I'm serious about that. I don't like Promise Keepers and once considered picketing them. I did make protest against them in church and to my friends.

 

[verte76]

I think its safe to say that most Texas Republicans aren't "Barry Goldwater" Republicans, considering the kind of wackos they elect in that state.

Melon

They're like the Republicans in my state. The idiot who wants to ban books about gays in my state isi pretty typical. What I'm saying is that I know conservatives who don't like these politicians, and don't support the anti-gay campaign.

 

[verte76]

Because Mr. and Mrs. J. Q. Conservative Republican vote for those bigots who have initiated the anti-gay campaigns. Look around, look for the tearful protests when two people who love each other attempt to get married. That's your everyday Conservative Republican nowadays. It's completely fair to blame them for the actions of the people they put in office.

And it's completely fair to blame the rest of us for allowing it to happen as well. Until the rest of us stand up, vote, and protest more loudly, then we're to blame too.

True. While Joe Conservative Republican might not himself be anti-gay, if he voted for Bush he obviously voted for someone who is wholeheartedly into the anti-gay campaign, in fact, he's basically leading it.

 

[martha]

Originally posted by 80sU2isBest
melon, when Christians start throwing public parades in which they wear dog collars and simulate s & m, I'll be standing right there next to you protesting. [/QUOTE]

Because all gay events include this, right?

 

[deep]

I'm not running for office, but I am a Texas Republican, and you said you hate Texas Republicans.

As a side note, you do realize, don't you, that your decision to hate all Texas Republicans, without knowing all Texas Republicans, is not all that different from someone who who hates gays because he thinks that all gays are promiscuous beasts who wear s & m clothing and dog collars to the gay pride parades on public streets where they partake in the simulation of sex acts?

It completely floors me that more and more in this world, especially in these forums, stereotyping and predispositions of hatred are considered wrong, unless of course it's against Conservatives and Republicans.

How do you feel about the fact that a jury in your state only has two options for sentencing in a capital crime conviction?

1. execution
2. life WITH possibility of parole after 20 YEARS


no 3rd option of:

Life WITHOUT possibility of parole?

 

[80sU2isBest]

Originally posted by 80sU2isBest
melon, when Christians start throwing public parades in which they wear dog collars and simulate s & m, I'll be standing right there next to you protesting.

Because all gay events include this, right? [/QUOTE]

Nope, and I've even stated that I don't believe that all gay events are like that.

However, I was responding to melon's statement about picketing Christian events. My point was that if an event includes that kind of behavior, it should be protested.

 

[80sU2isBest]

How do you feel about the fact that a jury in your state only has two options for sentencing in a capital crime conviction?

1. execution
2. life WITH possibility of parole after 20 YEARS


no 3rd option of:

Life WITHOUT possibility of parole?

I don't like it - I don't like it at all; I am against the death penalty.

However, it doesn't make me hate people who support the death penalty. Many of my friends support it.

 

[melon]

For the record, I don't quite like the gay pride parades either. It doesn't reflect what I or any other gay person I know believes. The idea, decades ago, was to use the parades as a parody against the stereotypes levelled against them. However, I think that over the last 30 years, the irony has been completely lost on people.

On the other hand, I don't think that most protestors are protesting against the parades alone. No, they use it as an event to protest homosexuality in general. They want to pretend that it doesn't exist at all.

I liked watching the Tony Awards. Talk about a really visibly gay event.

Melon

 

[indra]

Perhaps some of them are actually more in the Barry Goldwater "don't meddle in the affairs of ordinary people" tradition?

The problem with the vast majority of Republicans happily voting for Bush and his ilk is that do meddle very much in the affairs of ordinary people. I can't see how anyone could vote for these jerks and have the gall to claim they believe in small government. Unless they are stupid.

 

[A_Wanderer]

Perhaps the lesser evil, Bush certainly does not advocate limited government.

 

[U2DMfan]

The problem with the vast majority of Republicans happily voting for Bush and his ilk is that do meddle very much in the affairs of ordinary people. I can't see how anyone could vote for these jerks and have the gall to claim they believe in small government. Unless they are stupid.

I think you hit on it.
It's not about being Christian or even Republican.
It's about intrusive government.
And it purports to be small, only it comparison to the socialist inclinations on the opposite side of the extremist scale.

And who are the ones championing this?
Be they Texas Republicans, or likes the ones I have to deal with, Oklahoma Republicans. They basically want the same thing no matter where they are from.

They want their morals applicable to everybody.

 

[U2DMfan]

Perhaps the lesser evil, Bush certainly does not advocate limited government.

No in fact, the Republicans in general are moving to more intrusive, bigger government.

But it's a big selling point here in America to talk about tax cuts and cutting social spending and passing it off as "conservative small government". While the one hand does this, the other hand is looking to govern your liberties to match theirs.

It's the #1 reason I am no longer a Republican and haven't been in probably 7 or 8 years.

I am not sure if I have anything in common with the Republicans anymore, so much that for the first time in my life I supported a Democrat for President.

Some people only see the pointing out of this shift as an attack on 'conservatives', it's not. The Republican Party doesn't embody the same conservative values it used to. It has been hijacked, anyone telling you otherwise is probably an apologist or agrees with what is happening.

Lesser of two evils?
If both are for big government, I will default on the side that wants to spend money on the poor (be it a waste or not) than the side trying to dictate my lifestyle to me. We can probably agree that both are fucking lost causes bought and sold by corporate interests.

 

[80sU2isBest]

I'll tell you what - I am VERY disappointed in Bush and most of the other Republicans these days...but probably not for the reasons most of you are.

 

[verte76]

The problem with the vast majority of Republicans happily voting for Bush and his ilk is that do meddle very much in the affairs of ordinary people. I can't see how anyone could vote for these jerks and have the gall to claim they believe in small government. Unless they are stupid.

Yeah, you're right. I don't see how an Administration that's run up record deficits and is meddling big time in people's private affairs can say it believes in "limited government". Last year I thought this game had gone completely bananas because the Democrat was criticizing the Republican for deficit spending. It used to be the other way around.

 

[coemgen]

Coemgen!!

OMG!

So you've read THE BOOK too! (no, I don't mean the Bible though this book is currently a close second on my list)

I have been pushing this book on this site for the past 2 months..and you used the EXACT same language I have! I just referred someone to sojo yesterday....

SERIOUSLY folks....I am not kidding, this book will CHANGE YOUR LIFE. It's becoming a sensation. At a recent college graduation in Michigan, Bush was the guest speaker, and Karl Rove was there too. Over 25% of the kids wore "God Is Not A Republican Or A Democrat" buttons, and the audience response was restrained.

Awesome, Teta040!

I think you're exactly right. I'm actually just on chapter 6, but I can already say it's changed my life. It's lifted the veil so to speak. I firmly believe if more people read this, it would seriously change politics and a number of other things, for the better. It's a very important book. I think it's one I'm going to read many times. There's just so much jammed into each paragraph. He's such a great writer. God bless you in your quest to get the word out about it!

 

[coemgen]

What kind of "jabs" does he take against fellow Christians?

Wallis doesn't take jabs at people for their faith, he takes criticizes them for bluring the lines between right wing politics and Christianity to the point where people are starting to see the faith in a light that's not Biblical.

 

[Scarletwine]

I'd also suggest
"Sins of the Scripture" by Spon. It focuses on social aspects the right-wing has hijacked for use in furthering an agenda. Such as civil rights, women's rights, and homosexual civil rights. And how specific biblical texts have been used to justify prejudice.

He is a retired Episcopal Bishop.

 

[The Disciple]

This disgusts me. As a Christian, I'm getting more and more urinated off with the Republicans hijacking the faith.

If this disgusts you too, I HIGHLY recommend visiting www.sojo.net, (where they'll probably have a response to this soon) and I HIGHLY recommend reading the new book by Jim Wallis, founder of Sojourners, called "God's Politics." He's a Christian who is really taking jabs at the Right Wingers for hijacking the faith and creating a theocracy. I'm about a third of the way through the book and it's seriously changing my world. Check it out. (Bono also endorsed it and is mentioned in the book if that excites you.)

I'm a over halfway throught the book as well, loving it. I think that Jim's blind faith in the UN as the answer to all the world's problems is a little disturbing to me personally, but he's on point 9 times out of 10.

 

[Dreadsox]

Scarletwine...

you mean Spong....

A man in who most would not call a Christian.....

He does not believe in the divinity of Christ.

 

[indra]

Scarletwine...

you mean Spong....

A man in who most would not call a Christian.....

He does not believe in the divinity of Christ.

Do you mean that as a bad thing?

 

[Irvine511]

Oh yeah, Irvine, I forgot that all conservative Republicans fan the flames of hatred against gays. I'll try to remember that from now on.

The average "conservative Republicans" isn't even in congress, Irvine. Do you really how many conservative Republicans there are in the US, as opposed to how many actually serve political office of any kind at all? And yet, you state the average conservative Republican has the power to strip gays of their rights.

we're talking about politicians vs. people in a gay pride parade.

remember your terms of argument.

 

[80sU2isBest]

That's not "my" terms of argument. I've been talking about Conservative Republicans in general, not just politicians.

 

[Dreadsox]

Do you mean that as a bad thing?

Well, if you are going to call yourself a Christian, the divinity of Christ should not be a question?

Spong...in my opinion can be right on with many of his thoughts.

However, many in the Christian community cannot get by his one flaw.

 

[unosdostres14]

That's disgusting. Signing an anti-gay, anti-choice, law in not only a school....but a Christian school. Who the hell do they think these people are? They think they know what God is? They think they know what God wants? Absolutely disgusting...