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Old 10-16-2005, 04:28 AM   #21
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[QUOTE]Originally posted by financeguy

"Give me socialism any day" - oh wonderful, I suppose you would have prefered to live in the Soviet Union where millions were sent to the gulags. "Dictatorial leadership"- I think that Magaret Thatcher was democratically elected. On three separate occasions.

Thatcher was elected each time with less than 40% of the overall vote and in Scotland, as I've stated, the Tories had not one MP. Democracy??? Excuse me...I'm off to the Gulag with my Guardian...

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Old 10-16-2005, 04:53 AM   #22
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I understand entirely

If % of vote is > 40% then % of vote is < 40%

Election in 1979 had a conservative majority with 43.9%
Election in 1983 had a conservative majority of 42.4%
Election in 1987 had a conservative majority of 42.2%


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Old 10-16-2005, 09:40 AM   #23
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Originally posted by Kieran McConville
Gee no offence Finance Guy but weren't you just saying in another thread a few days ago that it's silly to equate socialism or social-democracy style policies with full on soviet communism?

And now you're doing it!

Isn't that just a bit over the freaking top????

Don't take this personally, but I couldn't not say it.

Except, Kieran, that Michael Foot, leader of the British Labour Party in the early '80s, WAS a genuine leftwinger, whereas the likes of Bill and Hills clearly aren't. Admittedly his successor Neil Kinnock was more mainstream - but still fairly leftwing, well, compared to Blair anyway.

From the Wikipedia article on Foot: -

"The 1983 Labour manifesto, strongly socialist in tone, advocated unilateral nuclear disarmament, higher personal taxation and a return to a more interventionist industrial policy. The manifesto also pledged that a Labour government would abolish the House of Lords and leave the EEC. Among the Labour MPs newly-elected in 1983 in support of this manifesto was Tony Blair. Foot's Labour Party lost to the Conservatives in a landslide. Foot resigned and was succeeded by Neil Kinnock as leader. Gerald Kaufman, once Harold Wilson's press officer and during the 1980s a key player on the Labour right, described the 1983 Labour manifesto as "the longest suicide note in history".

It should also be noted that when Foot was initially elected leader, some in the party left to set up their own centrist party the SDP.

I realise the phrase 'loony left' is frequently over-used - but in the context of UK politics in the late 70's and early 80's, there really was a loony left.
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Old 10-17-2005, 02:22 AM   #24
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So he was all those things, that's still not soviet communism.

I think my point stil stands. I know quite well where you stand on things, and that's fair enough. But still.

Yes some labour people (more so in the past) had a foot in a few different camps. Yes some of them were communists. Maybe some still are. But the idea of Britain electing a government that would practise actual soviet style communism, is laughable, and hyperbolic.
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Old 10-17-2005, 01:28 PM   #25
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Well I'm so glad my little thread generated a few feelings, both for and against her.

Personally I have much to hate her and her kind for, my father was a miner................

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