the uselessness of nationalism - Page 2 - U2 Feedback

Go Back   U2 Feedback > Lypton Village > Free Your Mind > Free Your Mind Archive
Click Here to Login
 
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread Display Modes
 
Old 07-13-2002, 02:20 AM   #21
ONE
love, blood, life
 
Zoomerang96's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2000
Location: canada
Posts: 13,462
Local Time: 09:07 AM
im sorry, but im at the point, where ideally (ideally almost never means realistically, mind you) i dont want to take a look at a map and see that there are borders made by humans saying this is our land, and that is your land.

i see no point to it, i am not patriotic, there is no reason to be. sure i live in a great part of the world, but then again, i also happen to live in a part of the world where we exploit poor people. i guess my ignorance is bliss. well im not ignorant.

i dont see why we cant abolish everything. destroy every remnant of government and rule, and start all over again.

ofcourse thats rediculous, and it will never happen.

but if it did happen, i think some great things would happen.

one can never be self-reliant enough. all you people following bono around africa recently, what was a big thing they focused on? the desire to get africa to support themselves! imagine that on a smaller scale yet...familys being able to produce everything for themselves.

go back in time 200 years, people didnt count on some courier to ship pinapoles (that is spelled horribly wrong) so that we can have our hawaiin pizza in canada. everything was done by us, for us.

ofcourse my opinion on this matter is correct, and to be considered fact.
__________________

Zoomerang96 is offline  
Old 07-13-2002, 05:51 AM   #22
you are what you is
 
Salome's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2000
Location: Netherlands
Posts: 22,044
Local Time: 03:07 PM
Quote:
Originally posted by U2Bama
It is amazing that all of you people get your panties in such a wad over "God Bless America." I concur with JessicaAnn and Achtung Bubba; simply asking/praying for God to "bless" you own country does NOT mean for him to curse all others! Whine me a river.
I agree


Quote:
Originally posted by Zoomerang96
i see no point to it, i am not patriotic, there is no reason to be. sure i live in a great part of the world, but then again, i also happen to live in a part of the world where we exploit poor people.
I agree
__________________

__________________
“Some scientists claim that hydrogen, because it is so plentiful, is the basic building block of the universe. I dispute that. I say there is more stupidity than hydrogen, and that is the basic building block of the universe.”
~Frank Zappa
Salome is offline  
Old 07-13-2002, 07:04 AM   #23
Jesus Online
 
Angela Harlem's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 1969
Location: a glass castle
Posts: 30,163
Local Time: 01:07 AM
Normal

Bear. There is no 'e' in ridiculous. And what is Rhineland? Ever had riesling? I dont like Hawaiin pizza personally. But I have no problem with Hawaii.
And you know what else? Come park a boat on Bondi Beach and tell me there are no borders.
Angela Harlem is offline  
Old 07-13-2002, 09:01 AM   #24
Refugee
 
BabyGrace's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2000
Location: even NJ loves NY
Posts: 2,095
Local Time: 09:07 AM
Quote:
Originally posted by Zoomerang96
i dont see why we cant abolish everything. destroy every remnant of government and rule, and start all over again.
because that would never work. I wish it would but could you imagine all these people trying to work things out with each other?? I can't even get along with my own sisters!! it would be total anarchy. it's better to keep some form of control. maybe it would work if the world was only a couple thousand people and everything wasn't distributed so unfairly, but human nature is never going to allow anything like that to happen.
BabyGrace is offline  
Old 07-13-2002, 09:19 AM   #25
Acrobat
 
cloudimani's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2002
Location: Ireland
Posts: 483
Local Time: 02:07 PM
saying Nationalism is useless seems just an excuse for preserving the politcal status quo, is it so unthinkable that the demographic of a place may change and people want changes, want a country they can call their own.

Nationalism isnt the cause of the world's problems, in some cases, yes it is hijacked and used as an excuse for violence, but there is nothing wrong with people being less than happy with the present situation, wanting change.

If I call myself a Irish nationalist, does that make me evil, does it make me a political troublemaker? I dont hate people, or for the most part (obviously excluding certain political figures) even dislike people with different opinions to me. Quite the opposite.
I dont however condone violence as any way to go about solving problems, either for legitimate or illegitimate groups. I believe firmly in democracy, of course when properly implemented.

As paradoxical as it may seem I dont agree with National Anthems or obnoxiously flying flags in people's faces. Just another excuse for people who want to antagonise their "opponents".
cloudimani is offline  
Old 07-13-2002, 12:47 PM   #26
Rock n' Roll Doggie
FOB
 
Join Date: Nov 2001
Posts: 8,800
Local Time: 04:07 PM
Quote:
Originally posted by Achtung Bubba
Isn't it presumptuous to assume "God save the Queen" actually means "God save the Queen and only the Queen"?

I don't that can be reasonably implied.

It would be analogous for condemning a man for praying for the health of his own wife - as if that means he's praying against the health of everyone else.
That's right that this saying doesn't mean that the rest of the world shouldn't be saved, but the fact of praising the Queen that high is simply not right in my opinion since there are also other big persons who need to be 'saved'......
FallingStar is offline  
Old 07-13-2002, 01:17 PM   #27
Paper Gods
Forum Administrator
 
KhanadaRhodes's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2001
Location: a vampire in the limousine
Posts: 60,683
Local Time: 08:07 AM
Quote:
Originally posted by Angela Harlem
Bear. There is no 'e' in ridiculous.
i know. it really makes it hard to give an argument credibility when it looks like it was written by a 10 year old AOL user.
__________________
KhanadaRhodes is offline  
Old 07-13-2002, 01:55 PM   #28
ONE
love, blood, life
 
Zoomerang96's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2000
Location: canada
Posts: 13,462
Local Time: 09:07 AM
beans

at the very beginning, i said id ramble through this and i have. its not an essay, nor do i want it to be.

khanada you can shut the fuck up. see? id say thats the response of an insecure 14-17 year old, dont you? at least its an improvement on a 10 year old, right? i know your proud of me.

when i write late at night, i simply type and do not look into my errors. thats what my job is for, and when i get home, i dont feel like working. btw, i will point out all of your sentance structure, grammar, and spelling problems out for the next while.

thanks to everyone else who has given their valuable opinion.
Zoomerang96 is offline  
Old 07-13-2002, 04:00 PM   #29
Refugee
 
follower's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2000
Location: Porto Alegre/Brasil
Posts: 2,302
Local Time: 11:07 AM
Quote:
Originally posted by sulawesigirl4
I could have sworn that I read somewhere recently that God was Brazilian.
Common saying here, in a more specific context though, related to natural disasters like earthquakes, tornados, volcanos, things that happen in other countries but not here. I mean, when we talk about an earthquake, lets say, in Turkey, we usually say that God is Brazilian for such things dont happen in Brasil.

As for the main topic, I agree that there is a difference between nationalism and patriotism. Extreme nationalism is evil...wasnt the word nationalism that generated that other one, nazism?
follower is offline  
Old 07-13-2002, 04:43 PM   #30
Paper Gods
Forum Administrator
 
KhanadaRhodes's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2001
Location: a vampire in the limousine
Posts: 60,683
Local Time: 08:07 AM
Re: beans

Quote:
Originally posted by Zoomerang96
khanada you can shut the fuck up. see? id say thats the response of an insecure 14-17 year old, dont you? at least its an improvement on a 10 year old, right? i know your proud of me.
emmm...right. i wouldn't say insecure, more like immature. it's a little hard to follow people's thoughts if there's typos. maybe a spell-check option for posts wouldn't be such a bad idea. and no, i'm not signalling you out, everyone makes typos.
__________________
KhanadaRhodes is offline  
Old 07-13-2002, 04:47 PM   #31
Rock n' Roll Doggie
 
U2Bama's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2000
Location: Gulf Coast State of Mine
Posts: 3,405
Local Time: 09:07 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by follower
As for the main topic, I agree that there is a difference between nationalism and patriotism. Extreme nationalism is evil...wasnt the word nationalism that generated that other one, nazism?
You have summed it up very well here, follower.

~U2Alabama
U2Bama is offline  
Old 07-13-2002, 04:59 PM   #32
Paper Gods
Forum Administrator
 
KhanadaRhodes's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2001
Location: a vampire in the limousine
Posts: 60,683
Local Time: 08:07 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by U2Bama
You have summed it up very well here, follower.
indeed.
__________________
KhanadaRhodes is offline  
Old 07-13-2002, 06:07 PM   #33
War Child
 
CannibalisticArtist's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2001
Location: West Coast babyeee
Posts: 511
Local Time: 06:07 AM
god save the aliens.

khanada have you been a member of SA for long? i saw you post there under the same name.
CannibalisticArtist is offline  
Old 07-14-2002, 04:42 PM   #34
Paper Gods
Forum Administrator
 
KhanadaRhodes's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2001
Location: a vampire in the limousine
Posts: 60,683
Local Time: 08:07 AM
Quote:
Originally posted by CannibalisticArtist
khanada have you been a member of SA for long? i saw you post there under the same name.
just for about a few months. my husband's been there waaaaaay longer than me, though, and he convinced me to get an account back in march or april, i think.

what's your name over there? i did see someone named wilt chamberlin or something say hi to me in a tattoo thread and i was wondering who that was.

edit: just checked, i joined 5/7/02.
__________________
KhanadaRhodes is offline  
Old 07-16-2002, 02:44 AM   #35
Sizzlin' Sicilian
Forum Administrator
 
Sicy's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2001
Location: Bay Area, CA
Posts: 69,349
Local Time: 06:07 AM
Normal play nice

Quote:
Originally posted by KhanadaRhodes
i know. it really makes it hard to give an argument credibility when it looks like it was written by a 10 year old AOL user.
That was uncalled for.

Quote:
Originally posted by Zoomerang96
khanada you can shut the fuck up. see?
And so was that.
__________________
Sicy is offline  
Old 07-16-2002, 04:45 AM   #36
War Child
 
CannibalisticArtist's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2001
Location: West Coast babyeee
Posts: 511
Local Time: 06:07 AM
Quote:
Originally posted by KhanadaRhodes

just for about a few months. my husband's been there waaaaaay longer than me, though, and he convinced me to get an account back in march or april, i think.

what's your name over there? i did see someone named wilt chamberlin or something say hi to me in a tattoo thread and i was wondering who that was.

edit: just checked, i joined 5/7/02.
yep that's my name there, i have been lurking since like 2 years ago and then quit, now i am back and i finally signed up. also what's your husbands name there? interferencers invade SA hahhaha
CannibalisticArtist is offline  
Old 07-18-2002, 05:10 PM   #37
Rock n' Roll Doggie
Band-aid
 
DrTeeth's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2000
Location: The Q continuum
Posts: 4,770
Local Time: 03:07 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by U2Bama
And what do the Dutch sing in their national anthem???

You, my God and Lord, are my shield, on You I rely.On You I will build; never leave me, So that I may remain pious, your servant at all moments,Dispelling the tyranny that wounds my heart.
The difference is that 99% of the Dutch only know the first 2 lines of the national anthem.
DrTeeth is offline  
Old 07-18-2002, 05:46 PM   #38
ONE
love, blood, life
 
zonelistener's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2001
Location: six convenient metro locations
Posts: 14,747
Local Time: 09:07 AM
You can always count on KhanadaRhodes to post some negativity

"They kicked God out of the school - and then sang God Bless America."

I don't like the saying "God Bless America" - It really bugs me. It's a damn song folks, not a rally cry.

It is sooooo odd that we are rallying around this song - hanging village street signs and posting bumper sitckers on our cars with this statement, while at the same time - banning the pledge of Allegiance because we are "one nation, under God." It doesn't make much sense.

Oh, and how do Indian Nations (Iriquois, Souix, etc.) fit in to this statement?
zonelistener is offline  
Old 07-19-2002, 03:38 AM   #39
Jesus Online
 
Angela Harlem's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 1969
Location: a glass castle
Posts: 30,163
Local Time: 01:07 AM
Hmm, bear I was thinking about this post the other day as I had little else to do, and I have decided on my serious answer.

I dont know if you are talking about America only, or in what context you refer to nationalism etc. But I have decided I think its a good thing. See, we say people are the same where ever you go, and that no country (based on the people) is better than another. I think that much is true, but, I dont think we can all live the same, and cut down our barriers. The world is filled with so many different people, countries and cultures that I think we cannot ever see some kind of 'one world' practice. I look at the way I live my life, and think about how differently others live theirs, and you know, I dont want to change to meet some general universal ideal. I dont expect anyone else to do the same for mine.
You mentioned borders and this land is my land kind of thing. I can see where you are looking at the negative influence in that, but what would happen if you took it away? I know you probably mean that wars are fought over that kind of caper and ownership causes more trouble than it should, but do you think we can pull down all barriers and live together? Birds of a feather stick together and we aim for a peaceful world. Co-exisatance may be achieved one day, but we will always need our boundaries I think. We need our nationalism and our pride in where we are at.
__________________
<a href=https://img.photobucket.com/albums/v196/angelaharlem/thPaul_Roos28.jpg target=_blank>https://img.photobucket.com/albums/v1...aul_Roos28.jpg</a>
Angela Harlem is offline  
Old 07-19-2002, 08:46 AM   #40
ONE
love, blood, life
 
Basstrap's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2000
Posts: 10,726
Local Time: 11:37 AM
I think if we all followed deathbears reasoning it wouldn't be long before we were tied to the land again in some feudal society of appropriation ruled by aristocrats. That system was abolished for a reason!
Zoom...human character will never allow for your type of society.
__________________

Basstrap is offline  
 

Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off



All times are GMT -5. The time now is 09:07 AM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.8 Beta 1
Copyright ©2000 - 2020, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.
Design, images and all things inclusive copyright © Interference.com
×