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Old 12-10-2002, 10:52 PM   #81
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u know what u stiff little monkees that love pissing on the USA?

This thread shoulda been titled-"The US is not like any other country in the world"
Then and only then some of you would come outta your predictable shells.

Remember Bono's words.." I love America not for all her glory and majesty BUT for the idea she represents. America is an idea, an idea I looove.."

You naysayers are trashing the idea of America..
Think about it.

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You naysayers are trashing the idea of America..
Postmodernism always was about style over substance...

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Postmodernism always was about style over substance...

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whatever that means..


All I know thru internal pOp polling data is that I have the market cornered on style
Substance delivered upon requests on tuesdays only..

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Old 12-10-2002, 11:27 PM   #84
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Sting2, the problem with that line of thinking is that it reads this way: "Each individual American is superior to all other persons on this planet, by virtue of being born in America or by having become a U.S. citizen."

If you were European, chances are you'd be offended by that statement.



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Really???

If that was the case, then this thread could be about why the rest of the world does not like me.




And they may not like me, but I don't believe that is what we are discussing.

No, we're discussing arrogance.
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No, we're discussing arrogance.
-arrogance-
whats that mean?
-I was raised on a farm..

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Diamond, I think you're just trying to start shit. hahaha....


Jokes aside, I am truly astonished that some of the North Americans involved in this discussion cannot see why foreigners might be put off by the whole "America saved your ass" attitude shown by some here. It's perplexing. (EVEN IF AND WHEN IT'S TRUE that America bailed a given people/country/etc. out of trouble at one time or another, it doesn't make you personally superior to that people group or their country/province/etc.
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Whats most puzzling is this assertion that because America has saved many people over the past century that we think we are superior to anyone?!?! Since when did anyone here say that Americans were personaly superior to anyone?

We have certainly had many people come out with, chip on the shoulder attitude, to the USA. Whats really astonishing is the unobjective nature of the criticism and this false assumption of superiority that Americans have. It might be better to talk of the unwarrented insecurity of foreigners outside the USA.
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Old 12-13-2002, 03:47 PM   #88
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In the future, plez refrain from posting your long lost Uncle's poetry on these boards..


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im sure he along with everyone else here who doesnt like the states for its foreign policy would stop but you keep making posts and threads lipkissing, hugging, and sucking mr dubya and its quite gross.

you are the voting public. please be aware of what hes doing. try and look behind the "majesty behing the flag."

oh and i dont think many of us give two shits what bono has to say about "america represents ...this idea...blah blah blah." its bono, he talks too much. every country is about an idea. or rather, none are, but patriotic nutcases think there is.
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I will think long and hard before i respond to that silly diatribe.....

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Whats most puzzling is this assertion that because America has saved many people over the past century that we think we are superior to anyone?!?! Since when did anyone here say that Americans were personaly superior to anyone?

We have certainly had many people come out with, chip on the shoulder attitude, to the USA. Whats really astonishing is the unobjective nature of the criticism and this false assumption of superiority that Americans have. It might be better to talk of the unwarrented insecurity of foreigners outside the USA.
Why does this keep shifting back to an attack on a personal level? Read in their worst light, posts stating how the US "has saved many people over the past century" is a statement that the country as a whole is superior to other countries. Not person to person.

It is a strange dichotomy - one nation can be vastly superior to another, but the individuals in each country are equals.

I donít care where someone lives Ė we all have the same Creator.
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It might be better to talk of the unwarrented insecurity of foreigners outside the USA.
Sounds like a thread to me....

As a member of the voting public, I am impressed with the way the President has worked through the interantional community to get the resolutions passed. I am impressed with the fact that the President has the inspectors back inside Iraq. I am impressed with the fact that not a single American Soldier has been sent into battle (No Fly Zone excluded). So far, I have seen him as a very effective player on the world scene.

The handling of the ships from North Korea is excellent. Definitely a nice play to let them know we are watching them as well. Just a little, hello, we know you are shipping these weapons. If N. Korea takes other steps down the road towards war...that is their choice.

He has been open to other causes as well, helping with some of the debt relief ect.

Again, many people question the way the man was elected. Take that out of the picture and really, the only thing I think sucks is the economy. I am also concerned with the environmental issues that may be neglected. The Alaskan drilling is not a concern of mine. We need oil. We have not moved into a viable alternative yet.
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Hear.
Hear.

Another great post by Dread

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Jokes aside, I am truly astonished that some of the North Americans involved in this discussion cannot see why foreigners might be put off by the whole "America saved your ass" attitude shown by some here. It's perplexing.
Not really North Americans IMO. We've had a number of Canadians on this thread who understand what's being said.
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Not really North Americans IMO. We've had a number of Canadians on this thread who understand what's being said.


true, true.... I should have said "U.S. citizens."
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The Alaskan drilling is not a concern of mine. We need oil. We have not moved into a viable alternative yet.
I cant believe you think this!!!

Its not a concern of yours? Of course it is. What because Alaska isnt in the core of America ift doesnt matter or do you think that you need oil it doesnt matter what sort of wildlife and national parks are killed.

I find that to be a very ugly remark!

Just because you need oil doesnt mean you rip places apart for it. If you lived in a city and there was oil beneath it would you think well its none of my concern we need oil so rip my house up!!!

I cant comprehand!
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And beside of this, pure exploration of our natural resources is a attack on the future of our children. Not only cars are driving on oil, we use oil in our medicine, in plastic for medical use and in space. What can we do without oil in the future.
We even need oil to produce solar energy cells.

It is a shame that critics against the USA goverment often ends in , Why do you hate Americans ????

Read you,....
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I cant believe you think this!!!

Its not a concern of yours? Of course it is. What because Alaska isnt in the core of America ift doesnt matter or do you think that you need oil it doesnt matter what sort of wildlife and national parks are killed.

I find that to be a very ugly remark!

Just because you need oil doesnt mean you rip places apart for it. If you lived in a city and there was oil beneath it would you think well its none of my concern we need oil so rip my house up!!!

I cant comprehand!

Hold on, allow me to pick myself of the floor from laughing so hard. You really did a lot of work, reading into and embellishing my comments. Did I say destroy the state of Alaska to find oil? Did I say destroy and entire National Park to find oil? Mainland USA? Where do you get off putting those words into my mouth and implying these are MY thoughts. Where did I say:

"IN OUR SEARCH FOR OIL, WE WILL NOT TARGET THE MAINLAND!!!! LETS GO INTO ALASKA RIP DOWN THE TREES AND KILL THE ANIMALS!!! "


Seriously,

If I thought they were ripping apart the entire state...yes I would be concerned. So far I have seen nothing to indicate that they are ripping apart the entire state. So far, they are(will be) doing exploration, which to the best of my limited knowledge, is not destrying an entire national park.But, given the fact that we can potentially be held hostage by countries that do control the oil reserves, I am for it YES!


When there is a viable alternative to oil, I will 100% support an end. Now, for my country it makes no sense to allow ourselves to be held hostage by other countries.

Do you have evidence that the entire state of Alaska is being destroyed? Do you have evidence that an entire National Forest is being destroyed?

I find you to be extremely hostile. I find your arguments to be personal. That's ok with me I can take it. Just don't waste too many brain cells trying to put words in my mouth.

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I find you to be extremely hostile. I find your arguments to be personal.

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me too.
I sorta of give him a pass based on his youth and inexpiernce in life..
I said a lot of foolish things when I was 20 too..

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Diamond i'm 19..

Dread if you found them personal sorry.

But being to Alaska many times i have seen a very presitne and beatiful place. I am from the oil capital of NA and my family and friends make loads of money off of oil. But i really think people in the states think because Alaska is not in the core part of the country it doesnt matter. Maybe this isnt your feeling.

You would need to spend many many many $ to bring the oil industry of Alaska to its full potential. I would think in your best intrest, that you would hold on to it until oil is really scarse.

Sorry if i seemed pissed.

Diamond, i used to really hate you but i dont anymore, and i thank you for giving some of my posts merit. You might think i am a liberal but in actuallilty i have never supported or voted(even though i've only voted a few times) for a liberal.

I put my hand out and say thanks for all the good chatter.
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