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Old 01-05-2004, 11:52 AM   #1
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The US begins fingerprinting most foreingers

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I'm not sure what I think of this.

it may be logical, but I'm afraid the whole world will start doing this and then we'll be getting closer to 1984!
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Hi, I think it's a good thing, we don't know who is using forged ID and it makes travelling to places more safer. Although I don't like the idea of armed air marshalls on planes. Any weapons on a plane seems pretty frightening.
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we needed a better way of keeping track of those who enter our country... i don't know if this is the best way, but it's a start. it's not denying entry... it's just monitering entry, which we certainly have the right to do. if it's not a violation of privacy to fingerprint and run a background check on an american citizen for reasons of employment, then why is it some big thing to fingerprint and run a background check on foreign nationals entering our country?
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I'm having trouble to believe you can stop terrorists (I'm guessing they are the main target of actions like these) who are willing to give up their own lives by taking their fingerprints at the airport

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I know there are lots of ppl here who hate Moore...but I can't help think about his theory of fear and paranoia

the US isn't the only country to be struck by terrorism, yet, as far as I know, they are the only ones to fingerprint.
(besides for Brazil who seem to be doing it out of spite)
is it because of a culture of fear?
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Funny stuff:

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Tourists and business travelers on short visits from 27 mostly European nations are exempt from the new measures. Canadians, who fall under special immigration rules, also get a pass.
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That makes about a crap worth of sence.
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I'm having trouble to believe you can stop terrorists (I'm guessing they are the main target of actions like these) who are willing to give up their own lives by taking their fingerprints at the airport

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LOL, good point.

Yeah, this isn't the best way to handle this...especially after that little bit from Reuters that DrTeeth posted, in which some people are able to pass through without being fingerprinted. Apparently our government's forgetting that white people can be terrorists, too (like, Timothy McVeigh, for example-a guy in our own country).

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I dont think its going to prevent terrorists, really, im sure if they want to attack a place so badly they have ways and means of entering a country
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I don't like the exemptions either. It's ridiculous to assume that Europeans are not going to be terrorists, since the "Shoe Bomber" was a Brit. If we are going to do it to anyone it's pointless not to do it to everyone.
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It's fine, we need to keep tabs on people that visit our country.
This should been happening way before 9-11
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It's fine, we need to keep tabs on people that visit our country.
This should been happening way before 9-11
and do you think this would have prevented it?
I doubt so very much
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and do you think this would have prevented it?
I doubt so very much
We should still have it, you can doubt all you want but more protective measures are always good to have.
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We should still have it, you can doubt all you want but more protective measures are always good to have.
Do you agree, though, with the fact that Europeans and Canadians don't have to deal with this? That's the part in particular that bugs me about this.

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Do you agree, though, with the fact that Europeans and Canadians don't have to deal with this? That's the part in particular that bugs me about this.

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Well Canadians and European people aren't the ones that have caused terrorist attacks against the US in the last decade, so I can see why the US would be more suspicious of some nationalities more than others.
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I know there are lots of ppl here who hate Moore...but I can't help think about his theory of fear and paranoia

the US isn't the only country to be struck by terrorism, yet, as far as I know, they are the only ones to fingerprint.
(besides for Brazil who seem to be doing it out of spite)
is it because of a culture of fear?
Culture of fear ? It is hard to see that USA turned from a land of hope en positive into a land of fear and manupalation. Bin laden has won,...


I never thought that the DDR would be a model for the new brave world, including statsi and walls,....
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I'm having trouble to believe you can stop terrorists (I'm guessing they are the main target of actions like these) who are willing to give up their own lives by taking their fingerprints at the airport

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the government has no safetyguards in place pre 9/11... it's asleep at the wheel and they should have done more

the government puts safetyguards in place post 9/11... it's driving fear and paranoia and they're doing too much

what the hell exactly do you want? would the fingerprinting, orange alerts, blah blah blah etc. etc. etc. have stopped 9/11 from happening? maybe... might not have, but maybe it would've discouraged it from happening. maybe isn't a sure thing, but it's a hell of a lot better than no.

and again... we've yet to have an attack on american soil since 9/11... so something's working... and God willing that something will continue to work, 'cause i don't want to go to any more funerals
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Well Canadians and European people aren't the ones that have caused terrorist attacks against the US in the last decade, so I can see why the US would be more suspicious of some nationalities more than others.
That's the biggest load of crap I've ever heard. You don't think there are people who now live in these European countries or Canada that still don't have ties to their origin of birth? A terrorist could have citizenship in one these countries for the past 10 years of so and come here and pose as a tourist. If you're going to fingerprint, fingerprint them all. So now when the next terrorist attack happens and they realize it was implemented by someone with citizenship in Europe then we'll fingerprint them. So only after someone attacks us we'll fingerprint them? This logic makes absolutely no sense.
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That's the biggest load of crap I've ever heard. You don't think there are people who now live in these European countries or Canada that still don't have ties to their origin of birth? A terrorist could have citizenship in one these countries for the past 10 years of so and come here and pose as a tourist. If you're going to fingerprint, fingerprint them all. So now when the next terrorist attack happens and they realize it was implemented by someone with citizenship in Europe then we'll fingerprint them. So only after someone attacks us we'll fingerprint them? This logic makes absolutely no sense.
Exactly.

And keep in mind, Bunbury, once again, that we've had people right here in our own country commit terrorist acts (Timothy McVeigh, the Unabomber). So should we start fingerprinting every white male in this country?

Any nationality is likely to harbor terrorists, we shouldn't be suspecting just a few. Like Rono said, Bin Laden has won, he's made us paranoid.

Headache, we definitely agree our government should do something. If they hear of any terrorist organizations being set up anywhere in the world, they should go after those people only. If they hear of any terrorists planning something, they should stop those people beforehand once they get the details of who's involved and everything (it also might help if we hadn't supported some of these terrorist regimes in the past, as well-something the U.S. should learn from).

But we shouldn't be fingerprinting people, most of whom are innocent and wouldn't dream of hurting anybody. And if we must fingerprint, then we should be fingerprinting everyone, not exempting certain countries.

For crying out loud, when people like the Arabs see us exempting Canadians and Europeans, who are white, from things like this, that only makes them angrier with us. They see it as racist, and it allows for wannabe terrorists to continue to gain support against us Americans. Do we want these people to hate us for all eternity?

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