Achtung Bubba said:
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I admit that it is an overstatement to interpret this comment as suggesting that we deserved the attacks on 9/11. But put this comment (that we should expect terrorist attacks) into the context of the REST of your posts (that "We are thieves, each and every day") and it's hard NOT to make that sort of assumption.
On the question of price controls:
In the first paragraph you seem to think that the United States is overcharging for its food products (that we SHOULD give them away for free). In the second, you think that we steal from the Third World by "directing the price" (though I'm not sure what that means).
In both paragraphs, the problem seems to be pricing. The solution IS price fixing, either directly or indirectly.
Direct price fixing is directly setting the supermarket price. Indirect price fixing is trying to control the supply to influence the price. One example of this indirect price fixing is subsidizing farmers to destroy their own crop; that keeps the supply low, and forces the price to be artificially high.
If you don't consider the second example to be price fixing, fine. But it's still over-regulation and a very bad idea.
You say that you mean "regulation of free international trade laws, f.e., or the better regulation of mergers, that Clinton was ruining when he took away the anti monopolisation laws (you may note now I am far from being a liberal Clintonfan)."
Unless the "regulation of free trade laws" means less regulation - fewer tarrifs, fewer limits on quantities, etc. - I still think it's a bad idea. And while the government should make an effort to ensure competition by discouraging monopolies, I'm not sure that Clinton's efforts in this case were a bad thing.
(And dislike Clinton in this case doesn't prove that you're some sort of moderate. Any good liberal found plenty of opportunities to dislike his actions - from signing Republican tax cuts and budgets to signing NAFTA.)
At any rate, I believe you're taking a big risk in saying, "I?m an eclectic, this means that I integrate everything I want from various systems into my own system of thoughts or opinions."
The risk is, your system of thoughts and beliefs may not be internally cohesive; one idea may directly contradict another.
At the very least, your recent posts in this thread DO put forth liberal ideas - that America is robbing the world and government regulation is the solution.
Yes, I called "government regulation" by that hated word, "socialism." But that is what it is: socialism is marked by the government controlling the economy.
Look, Bubba , one of our (us two in discussion) main problems may be that you INTERPRETE my words into what you like to see. I?ll give you some examples:
You have admitted that I never said (and I also don?t think) that the U.S. deserved the tragedy. In my opinion, it is not hard - like you think - to make none of those assumptions. You just have to take the words like they?re written there. This is normally exactly what I mean (except if I change my opinion for your arguments, f.e., but then I also say so).
Another example is that "I seem to think the U.S. is overcharging its products". No, I don?t think so; to say the truth, I don?t know, maybe they are, but I have no real information about prices. The sentence I wrote was a reaction to your words that "The U.S. is the breadbasket of the world". Well, if I hear the word breadbasket, I think of a basket full of bread, where everyone can take out what he wants for free. So, I am not the opinion that the U.S. should give away its products for free (of what should the farmers live, excuse me?), I just think that the U.S. is just as much a breadbasket as every other country in the world that produces and exports agricultural goods.
Now, it is true that I think that the workers in the third world are underpaid for the work they do/ for the products they sell. If they were paid more, they could afford to buy more to eat, to build up infrastucture, to get better medical care. Shit, why do you think they have one hospital per sth. like 150,000 people in Africa? Because they are too stupid or undemocratic or whatever to build hospitals? No, because they don?t have the resources, financially, materially, human resources miss too, because how do you want an analphabet to get a ("classical") doctor? And it would be a healthy effect for us rich people if we paid more for goods coming from the third world: the more expensive it gets, the more worth it is to us. So we would throw away less food, and get less fat, have less heart attacks, even save money the other way ?round in the health system maybe!
I agree with you that indirect price fixing for American products is dangerous and has bad effects. So it depends on how the regulations are implemented.
I don?t agree with you that the regulation of free int. trade laws is a bad idea. If you want to know why, please try to search my posts about globalisation, as I don?t want to repeat myself endlessly. In one sentence,...
I know that "free trade zones" (what a nice word for something so bad) are giving nearly unlimited instruments of power to multinational corporations. Workers in the U.S. or in Europe are "too expensive" (well they aren?t, but the corp. wants to save money any way possible to make more profit in the end, clear). This is why production plants are put into second world or third world countries. F.e. in China there are 7 millions of people working in trade free zones. This means that the corporation doesn?t have to pay taxes when exporting from China (into the U.S. f.e., where they sell the products, mostly textile and electronic sector). It means that the corporations hire mostly women, because they are not organising as much in labour unions as men. It means that those women work for 16 hours a day, sleep in the same hall like the production machines, without fire security. It means, all in all, a new form of slavery. It is an example for one hundred percent of capitalism; in the U.S. or Europe the corporations couldn?t afford scandals like that. Nike is a famous example.
Ok, enough about free trade zones and globalisation and non - existing regulation effects. I can guarantee you that our governments (including your president, yes I know it hurts, sorry)know very well about those practices, that keep workers like in prisons, and that they support this new form of slavery. They don?t care for people dying in other countries as long as they get fed by industrial lobbies.
Next: I am not a professor of economy, but I am sure that the pro monopolisation policy (Clinton) is a bad thing, because I know some american friends who work in the music industry, and major record companies are in a deep crisis. For the employees, it is a disaster, because many of them get fired when two corp. merge. Look at the merger AOL/ Time Warner, f.e.; even for the stockholders it may be risky. Those actions are sold as unpreventable actions to the public, which is clear disinformation. Corporations could easily survive without merging. But the ultimative goal of capitalism is profit. When the Fordism - model - crisis started in the late 70s, and there was a certain level where consumers were consuming as much as they could, "capitalism" looked for other possibilities to increase profit. Sure, if I was a CEO/ top manager at a major, I would also look for other possibilities, because if I don?t increase profits for, say, 15 percent per year, its about my ass, not about the asses of my employees.
Whether I like Clinton or not is of zero importance, compared to practices like that. I only wanted to show you that I don?t see myself as a so called liberal, and I don?t always go with Chomsky or whoever. I learned to think for myself. Leave it to me to balance out the contradictions that may appear when I mix a few systems up to get to my opinion. I don?t think that?s risky, and if you see any contradiction, please tell me - I don?t think there are (m)any. I also don?t care which label I appear on, to say it with a metaphor - if you think the opinion, that mainly America and Europe are robbing the rest of the world, and this should be changed, is a liberal one, that?s ok. For me this is part of my belief system, my vision of a more balanced, fair world, part of my christianity. Jesus was the opinion that we have to share the wealth (see the bread and fish thing, one of many examples out of the bible).
Or arms producing, trafficking and financing: isn?t it written in the ten commandments that we shouldn?t kill? Didn?t Jesus say we should love our enemies? Sure, now you may say that arms are mainly used for protection (cold war example or whatever). Yes, I know, it is repeated again and again, so people believe this! When the truth is very simple: the less arms exist on this world, the less killing with help of arms there will be. I also know that for many Americans it is part of their freedom to carry a gun. If I have to live in fear that I will maybe have to defend myself, and therefore carry a weapon, this is not my definition of freedom, for my life (I am not trying to speak for you).
And last but not least, I don?t hate socialism. But I am far from being a socialist. It?s just another concept that didn?t work out in some states; on the other side, in others it did. In Europe we still have social standards (but they are melted away by our criminal politicians - no wonder in this globalisation climate).
My posts are difficult to interpret? Don?t interpret them, please; just read them. I try to express myself the clearest I can, but when I see that I am constantly misinterpretated, it is time to state that my words should be read just as they are written.
You told me of my worst example? Sorry, but I think you made a reading mistake. I said: how much export volume does the U.S. make (because officially it is the U.S., not Lockheed Martin or any other of the big five)...?.... The 30,000 people laid off at Boeing don?t make this profit. The average American person doesn?t make money (or are more than 50% of the Americans stockholders of the big five? No.) So, APPARENTLY - and EXACTLY what I said - the TAXPAYER doesn?t make money from arms exports. But who pays for supporting those exports? The Pentagon, which gives billions p.a. directly to the big five. And if I am not misinformed, the TAXPAYER (the average American) finances the Pentagon. Or was the Pentagon merged with a private corporation and I didn?t realize it? Don?t think so.
Now you explain what is so difficult to understand about that. And why it is such a bad example and so difficult to interprete.
Btw, do you know the difference between FMS and DCS? I do, because I am writing a thirty side little thesis about the American arms industry (didn?t like the EADS, so I took the American one).
Oh, and yes, the C.I.A. is doing everything to support the existing system. The problem about "capitalism" is that it doesn?t support a win-win situation. Someone has to be the loser, if profit is God. Those losers are the starving, ill, "not fit enough to survive" etc. people, and all the other living beings on Mother Earth. Some agencies? actions (and not only the C.I.A.?s, normally I dislike this example because literally everyone knows about their shady sides) are directly implemented for the unique goal to keep the third world suppressed, underdeveloped and less free. For which reasons was f.e. Allende killed in Chile in 1973? Just to be a little shady, for fun? No, to tear the country into shreds by implementing a dictatorship, planned and carried out by U.S. agencies, when Allende was dead.
Open your eyes, Bubba. Just a little. You don?t have to interprete me to understand what?s going on. This world is in a bad state. Not everything is american idealism and freedom and pancakes and democracy-loving people, and things don?t go wrong all by themselves. Not some defined states are "evil-producers" (what a ridiculous phrase, btw, but highly effective propaganda, sure, to use the word "evil"... I thought we had learned from history) neither America, nor Korea or Iraq. Saddam Hussein, yes. But that?s one out of the rich elite, in a poor country he suppresses. Like Bush is one out of the rich elite, in a rich country where people are relatively free.
You are invited to try to take a real, a deep look. If you don?t want, because it?s too painful, that?s ok by me. You are free to think what you want.
Hope to hear your opinions on this.
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