The U.S millitary planned to attack the United States to provoke a war with Cuba

[DoctorGonzo]

As if you needed more reasons not to trust the government

This is the kind of shit that just pisses me off to no end. Fucking madness.

[Diemen]

Not to downplay the fact that this information is some fucked up shit (pardon the language), but their plans obviously weren't put into action, and that did happen around 40 years ago, I don't think the military could get away with even scheming about that kind of stuff now, not with the type of media we have.

But yeah, that is some crazy shit!

[This message has been edited by Diemen (edited 12-14-2001).]

[Danospano]

I like to hear about Auchtung bubba and 80sU2isBest have to say about this.

I really would, because I think DoctorGonzo, myself and anyone else they accosted deserves an apology.

[80sU2isBest]

Originally posted by DoctorGonzo:
As if you needed more reasons not to trust the government

This is the kind of shit that just pisses me off to no end. Fucking madness.

Yeep, if that happened (and that's a big IF), it happened 40 years ago - long before you were born, probably. So what is your point? You now hate America because of things that happened before you were born?

[80sU2isBest]

Originally posted by Danospano:
I like to hear about Auchtung bubba and 80sU2isBest have to say about this.

I really would, because I think DoctorGonzo, myself and anyone else they accosted deserves an apology.

Accosted? How did I accost you? And if I did, why would I apologize for "accosting" you for your anti-American rhetoric because of something that may or may not have happened 40 years ago? Do not hold your breath on that one.

[Danospano]

Because it proves that I'm not paranoid without reason. You and your amigos basically accused me and my fellows as being unpatriotic without basing it on fact. Well, there you go...this story is one example that supports my distrust in ANY of our governments actions. You can no longer deny that the US is full of secrets. Secrets, which if revealed, would hurt its reputation and protector of the free world.

Additionally, this story was reported on ABC News, which is the most mainstream media in the world. If they report something like this, the odds are small that it is false. I personally found it surprising that they would even mention this story...

[80sU2isBest]

Originally posted by Danospano:
Because it proves that I'm not paranoid without reason. You and your amigos basically accused me and my fellows as being unpatriotic without basing it on fact. ...

I never accused you of being patriotic. I said you hate America. And I do have basis for that. Every post you make, you see as an opportunity to slam America. Same with Doctor Gonzo. Same with that Patti Jones person.

[devalera1]

What Gonzon and Spano are missing in their broad painting of the government as untrustworthy is that the government actually choose not to implement those plans. If anything, this would seem like an example of our government working.

[Lemonite]

Originally posted by DoctorGonzo:
As if you needed more reasons not to trust the government

This is the kind of shit that just pisses me off to no end. Fucking madness.

Oh my dear Dr. Gonzo.. Bringing in such a hugely old .. over forty years .. topic, in order to make your point.. No one here is saying that they Blindly trust the government, but I don't think that we'er out of line by saying that the govt that is in the seat right now, is looking out for our best interest as a country.. If they have to withhold data, or even give a bit of a fib here or there.. It's ok, Like i've said in many of my posts.. Americans, should not be so needy for information.. the gov't should just handle teh war, and just let us know when its done, there is a responsibility of the gov't to not run amok or fall to enormous amounts of shady tactics, or behind the wire dealings, but let's face it, some bad shit is needed in order to accompolish things.. I wouldn't be thrilled if we blew upone of our marine squadrons.. but let's face it, that never happened, Did you live during that time... did you sit in your living room while Cuba had a nuclear missle pointing our way with russia.. No.. neither did I.. Anyways, it didn't happen... I assume you are the 'mysterious arab league' who is calling the tape a forged document.. Well, Let's start a petition here on Interference so Dr. Gonzo can buy an official interpreter.. Have you ever seen goonies with Mouth and teh Spanish Housekeeper.. May you be blessed with such a one when you travel to a foreign country...

[Lemonite]

Originally posted by devalera1:
What Gonzon and Spano are missing in their broad painting of the government as untrustworthy is that the government actually choose not to implement those plans. If anything, this would seem like an example of our government working.

Well said, and guys.. keep the John Lennon out of Spano's ears

[Lemonite]

Originally posted by DoctorGonzo:
As if you needed more reasons not to trust the government

This is the kind of shit that just pisses me off to no end. Fucking madness.

Let's all congratulate Gonzo on his six hours of internet search time for bringing such an issue to our eyes. Thank you Gonzo. This was something i didn't know, and an article i read with interest

[kobayashi]

Originally posted by Lemonite:
Americans, should not be so needy for information.. the gov't should just handle teh war, and just let us know when its done, there is a responsibility of the gov't to not run amok or fall to enormous amounts of shady tactics, or behind the wire dealings, but let's face it, some bad shit is needed in order to accompolish things..

dangerous words my friend. very dangerous words.

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[kobayashi]

Originally posted by devalera1:
What Gonzon and Spano are missing in their broad painting of the government as untrustworthy is that the government actually choose not to implement those plans. If anything, this would seem like an example of our government working.

your point is correct but an incredibly backwards way of looking at things. the leaders of the U.S. military at the time conceived of this plan. that should raise alarm bells and none of the responses provided by dano or gonzo have gone beyond reasonable shock. that fact, in and of itself, is scary. yes the civilian component of the government did stop it but that's not the point.

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[U2Bama]

It was a covert, intelligence-level military idea that should have never been devised. But I am glad that we do not have a "military government" here in the U.S., and not a whatever-the-military-says-goes system. The democratically-elected leaders rejected the plan, as they should have.

~U2Alabama

[joyfulgirl]

I've no doubt this kind of thing goes on in our government (and others) all the time (even if this particular one didn't actually happen). I'm with Dr. Gonzo. I don't trust our government, but that doesn't mean I hate America.

[Lilly]

Originally posted by 80sU2isBest:
You now hate America because of things that happened before you were born?

You mean we AREN'T supposed to realize that retrospect is 20/20? I think you might be asking too much...



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[sulawesigirl4]

That does it! I'm moving to a country where the government is completely open and honest and always does everything above-board all of the time, 100%.

Now.

Hmm....where to go. There are so many choices.

[sv]

Actually, the U.S. government does enough things to deserve distrust and dislike NOW.

One good example: the New York Times and other sources reported last week that the "high grade" anthrax floating around the United States and killing people is identical to that made by the U.S.'s biological weapons program. Not the Soviet's program (despite the thousand newspaper articles about how their weapons are escaping since the USSR breakdown) or Iraq's program (despite the million articles about how "dangerous" Saddam is to us now).

Some of you who believe so strongly in the morality/honesty of the U.S. government please answer me this simple 2-part question: A) Is there any use for weaponized anthrax other than to wipe out a civilian population?; and B) What business does the U.S. or anyone else have making it?

[kobayashi]

Originally posted by sv:
One good example: the New York Times and other sources

i don't know about your other sources but the NY Times is tough to trust.

www.smartertimes.com

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[sulawesigirl4]

Originally posted by sv:
B) What business does the U.S. or anyone else have making it?

How do you make an antidote to a disease? I'm not exactly sure, but I would guess that one way would be to have limited amounts of the virus/bacteria on hand. Whether or not that's true, I don't know. But it's a possibility, yes?