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Old 06-22-2010, 01:26 PM   #921
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I honestly had never heard of the John Birch Society until Rachel Maddow started mentioning them and their history on her show . My parents certainly remembered them, though.

Good question, melon. Once again, we expect the moderates to denounce the extremists everywhere else, so come on, Buckleys of the world, stand up, it's your turn yet again.

I just want to know how people like the John Birch Society or the really extreme people in the Tea Party or people of that sort manage to get through their daily lives? With the way they seem to look over their shoulders and rant and rave about how everyone's out to get us, you'd think they'd just never get out of bed. It must be interesting to be that delusional and paranoid.

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Buckley's vocabulary and complex sentence structures marked him as an educated man elitist. Not only would no Tea Party clown be able to understand him, they would deride him and his multi-syllabic commentaries as socialist/fascist.
This sentence alone reveals your true commie nature.



Seriously though. I really feel the lack of, or drowing out of, thinking conservative voices in this country (and dare I say, in this forum) is truly sad.
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Talkin' John Birch Paranoid Blues

Well, I was feelin’ sad and feelin’ blue
I didn’t know what in the world I wus gonna do
Them Communists they wus comin’ around
They wus in the air
They wus on the ground
They wouldn’t gimme no peace . . .

So I run down most hurriedly
And joined up with the John Birch Society
I got me a secret membership card
And started off a-walkin’ down the road
Yee-hoo, I’m a real John Bircher now!
Look out you Commies!

Now we all agree with Hitler’s views
Although he killed six million Jews
It don’t matter too much that he was a Fascist
At least you can’t say he was a Communist!
That’s to say like if you got a cold you take a shot of malaria

Well, I wus lookin’ everywhere for them gol-darned Reds
I got up in the mornin’ ’n’ looked under my bed
Looked in the sink, behind the door
Looked in the glove compartment of my car
Couldn’t find ’em . . .

I wus lookin’ high an’ low for them Reds everywhere
I wus lookin’ in the sink an’ underneath the chair
I looked way up my chimney hole
I even looked deep down inside my toilet bowl
They got away . . .

Well, I wus sittin’ home alone an’ started to sweat
Figured they wus in my T.V. set
Peeked behind the picture frame
Got a shock from my feet, hittin’ right up in the brain
Them Reds caused it!
I know they did . . . them hard-core ones

Well, I quit my job so I could work all alone
Then I changed my name to Sherlock Holmes
Followed some clues from my detective bag
And discovered they wus red stripes on the American flag!
That ol’ Betsy Ross . . .

Well, I investigated all the books in the library
Ninety percent of ’em gotta be burned away
I investigated all the people that I knowed
Ninety-eight percent of them gotta go
The other two percent are fellow Birchers . . . just like me

Now Eisenhower, he’s a Russian spy
Lincoln, Jefferson and that Roosevelt guy
To my knowledge there’s just one man
That’s really a true American: George Lincoln Rockwell
I know for a fact he hates Commies cus he picketed the movie Exodus

Well, I fin’ly started thinkin’ straight
When I run outa things to investigate
Couldn’t imagine doin’ anything else
So now I’m sittin’ home investigatin’ myself!
Hope I don’t find out anything . . . hmm, great God!

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Tea Party gets another victory in South Carolina.
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4th black Republican congressman ... ever.
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i like to think it means the tea party has less influence than the wang chest beaters think they do.
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4th black Republican congressman ... ever.
Does that include the ones from the Reconstruction era?
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Does that include the ones from the Reconstruction era?


i believe so. that's what i remember NPR telling me this morning.

just GOP congresspeople. the Dems have had plenty more.
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i believe so. that's what i remember NPR telling me this morning.

just GOP congresspeople. the Dems have had plenty more.
Now that I'm on summer break I don't have a morning commute. I miss my NPR My son is more partial to the "car car" song and the elephant DVD, so not much chance of listening at home either.

Hard to believe that there was a time when the Republican party was THE party of black folks (not that it mattered post-Reconstruction when it came to elected officials).
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Hard to believe that there was a time when the Republican party was THE party of black folks (not that it mattered post-Reconstruction when it came to elected officials).
I hear this all the time, they go back to Lincoln and reConstruction,

well back then the blacks knew their place.

and if Lincoln had his way, MLK jr would have been born a slave.
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that's y i m so smrat.

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Now that I'm on summer break I don't have a morning commute. I miss my NPR
An iPhone has apps to listen live or seek out programs.

also, the ZUNE player has a pretty good FM tuner. I use both of those a lot, when walking the dog, or doing chores, etc. I probably listen to at least 4 hours of public radio a day.
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also, the ZUNE player has a pretty good FM tuner.
Oh, so you're the one.
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and if Lincoln had his way, MLK jr would have been born a slave.
??? ya stumped me.
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??? ya stumped me.
I'm afraid I didn't get it either.
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??? ya stumped me.
Lincoln is way over-rated


Amazon.com: Customer Reviews: Giants: The Parallel Lives of Frederick Douglass and Abraham Lincoln

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Among the things that upset Douglass most about Lincoln was the fact that Lincoln ran for re-election as Congressman from Illinois on promises to strictly enforce the dreaded and draconian fugitive slave laws. Douglass was even more bitter over the fact that when Lincoln was reelected he refused to support a bill to emancipate Blacks in Washington D.C. Douglass also wrote about Lincoln's support of the aborted first draft of the 13th Amendment, which advocated enshrining within the Constitution slavery for blacks in perpetuity. Later,in his second inaugural address, Lincoln made clear that although he personally hated slavery, he did not want to free the slaves if it meant upsetting the social status quo. He preferred gradual emancipation: over a period of 100 years or so. In addition, Lincoln insisted that slave owners be compensated for the slaves they freed; and suggested that the U.S. government subsidize a "back to Africa" program for all blacks.
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I'm afraid I didn't get it either.

Sean, I know the 'party line' when teaching history, I don't expect you to deviate from the approved books, and risk your profession.
we have touched on this era before, for me John Brown is a much greater American than Lincoln

I would recommend this book
it got 4 1/2 out of 5 stars

Amazon.com: Giants: The Parallel Lives of Frederick Douglass and Abraham Lincoln…
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Believe what you want Deep but some of us know the TRUE history of our 16th president. He was not only the great Emancipator he was...

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Sean, I know the 'party line' when teaching history, I don't expect you to deviate from the approved books, and risk your profession.
we have touched on this era before, for me John Brown is a much greater American than Lincoln
How dares you talk 'bout Massa Lincoln like that!



It doesn't surprise me to learn that Lincoln was a product of his times. The information you shared is not news to me nor would it be verboten for me to teach me students this.

But regardless of Lincoln's "true" racism, he did what he did. And the Republican Party was THE party of abolition, and the black voter's only real choice in the years immediately after the Civil War.

Let me further add that while John Brown might have better passed the purity test of membership in the Republican party back then, I think he lacked the political acumen to accomplish anything of lasting consequence. After all, you know how his plans turned out.
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Brown kick started the Civil War, but that is down-played,
he risked everything and got others (a few) to do the same

I don't know what Lincoln was, I am not one to throw around terms like racist, even today.
I just believe he floundered around and some how things worked out better than they might have.
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Brown kick started the Civil War, but that is down-played,
he risked everything and got others (a few) to do the same

I don't know what Lincoln was, I am not one to throw around terms like racist, even today.
I just believe he floundered around and some how things worked out better than they might have.
Actuallly secession kick-started the Civil War and secession took place, not because of Brown's failed raid on Harper's Ferry, but because Lincoln was elected president. The southern states (led by the ever-brilliant South Carolina) has always said they'd leave the Union if he became president.

What Lincoln was was an astute politician who did we had to do to achieve his primary goal--not freeing the slaves, but keeping the Union together.
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I just believe he floundered around and some how things worked out better than they might have.

So he was human like the rest of us?
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