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I'd comment on this if I could hear you over the noise of my absurd bills to go to a public university. Over $100,000.
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If everyone in the country has $100,000 to spend on college - then all colleges will charge at least $100,000 to attend (the more select will make the cost even higher.) Just a thought. |
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but that's the thing, not everyone has that much money. people have to borrow it to get a degree which the vast majority of jobs require. so lower and middle class students have to incur vast amounts of debt just to get a job above minimum wage.
this doesn't even mention what can happen if you need more money than the government will loan you so you have to turn to private loans.
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Our society benefits from an educated society – and we should do everything possible to encourage all economic classes to go to college. However, we also don’t want a condition were an entire generation or two of graduates are essentially slaves to the banks. |
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I think it's a safe argument to say that higher education benefits you, but it does sound suspiciously close to the mantra that was going on during the housing bubble, "Home ownership is the key to middle-class wealth." So buy a bigger, more expensive house now! What are you, a loser? It didn't belong, but that's another reason I'm glad HCR passed with the student lending provision in it.
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if taxes were lower, you'd be able to afford your public university. right? after all, the only reason Memphis has been paying off his student loans from his own public university for the past 10 years is because our taxes are too high. |
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so, where do the Tea Partiers wish to begin cutting defense?
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I can't speak for Tea Partiers - but I certainly think we can cut defense. I am more in favor of a quicker, lighter, deadlier force (increased reliance on special forces and technology and less reliance on the huge sys admin force).
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Public tuition does vary a lot between states. But in general I think it provides a good value to both state and student, no matter how you choose to pay off your loans.
Anyway, it's up to each state to decide how much to subsidize their public universities. I'd rather it happen at that level rather than Washington, D.C. |
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the point i'm trying to make is that students have to incur incredible amounts of debt at even state universities in a world where a college degree is essential to making even a lower-middle class income, and simply lowering taxes -- the Tea Party raison d'etre -- is an inane approach to problems like public education. more, treating public education like a marketplace is exactly the wrong way to go about dealing with the issue, and the same with health care. |
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Sure, we can make strides in reducing the size of our armed forces bases around the world; there's been recent criticism of bases in unstable countries throughout Central Asia, for example. But if we want the ability to do all the things that a more effective, stealthier military ought to do, we will still need these safe havens and landing strips to accomplish our missions. For both sides — conservatives and liberals — it seems like it's going to get really hard to separate the rhetoric that surrounds 'Defense-Speak' from what kind of serious defense spending reform we're willing to support. I'm not looking forward to hearing this debate on Cable News/online news sites, etc...they don't seem to do a very good job of channeling emotions into good dialogue ![]() |
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