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Old 04-08-2008, 11:17 AM   #81
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thank you for proving my point at such an early hour.
i said metaphorically, however you jumped to the drama card straight away.

having had a father in a wheel chair, i'm sensitive to people with physical and mental needs and challenges.

i suggest that you stop trying to using people with their organic and genetic make up to advance your cause; it's quite disingenuous.

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sweet pea -- when you say the "metaphorical" bus, you are referencing something that exists in real life, and what you really meant to say was "proverbial." and your use of either word doesn't get away with the fact that you were using the idea of the "short bus" in an insulting manner, that you were saying that people who think differently from you are retards.



it's okay, the english language can be tough.
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Old 04-08-2008, 11:21 AM   #82
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Like what?
Good question, I have yet to see any FYM lefties say that mercenaries slaughtered like pigs in Iraq had it coming because they ever so innocently pillaged, raped and murdered their way through the ashed out remains of a fascist state.

If there were more voices saying mean things like that it might raise somebodies awareness by hurting their feelings.
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That's the typical liberal defense. Ever eager to call someone a name or say they don't care about a certain group of people. So uptight.



delve into stereotypes much? do you look at the world and try to make events fit what you've already decided is reality?

did you get mugged by a typical black person?
did you get screwed over by a typical jew?
did you hate gay people like a typical christian?
did you get the curve on the math test reset by a typical asian?
did you get creationism taught to you like a typical Christian?

tell me, where does typicality end?

you realize, with this post, you've done exactly what you've accused me of doing?

and you've misunderstood. diamond loves to walk around and point to various things in history -- Lincoln, MLK, the inventing of the printing press -- and point to them as examples of what "core Republican values" are, regardless of fact or context. so to draw out some retard humor is also, i suppose, part of these "core Republican values."
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One time in 4th grade, this African-American kid stole my pencil. I really didn't like that at all. I guess that makes me a racist. Or maybe he was too poor to buy his own school supplies. I guess I don't care about the poor, then.

This is a dangerous trap a lot of people fall into.


What you wrote is not true.



But, it is revealing of how you view things.


Why describe this kid by his race.

The African race did not get together to steal your pencil.

Why not say a Libra kid (if that is his astrological sign) stole your pencil.

A Coke drinking kid stole your pencil.

A Nikes shoe wearing kid stole your pencil.

A freckle faced kid stole your pencil.

A Republican kid stole your pencil.


The African race did not get together and vote to steal your pencil.

I am guilty of my own bias myself.
I often ask myself what difference it makes when I relate a story and include things like "race", "gay" or other descriptive that apply to a group.
Am I only talking about an individuals behavior?
If so, than the descriptive word had no value in the story.
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^You said that brilliantly, deep.
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sweet pea -- when you say the "metaphorical" bus, you are referencing something that exists in real life, and what you really meant to say was "proverbial." and your use of either word doesn't get away with the fact that you were using the idea of the "short bus" in an insulting manner, that you were saying that people who think differently from you are retards.



it's okay, the english language can be tough.
ouch, you got be on that one, sorta.

where we differ sweet cheeks is here:

i think one can start out in life riding on the proverbial big bus and by their actions wind up on a proverbial short bus, due to thinking inside the box instead of outside of the box. how about that hot shot?

my bus analogy was an intellectual one, so there.

and u did get all dramatic on me, how does memphis deal w/this?


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More on McCain's temper here. It is worth reading. Seems like a balanced piece though I am unfamiliar with the source.
http://archive.newsmax.com/archives/...0/182118.shtml

It's too long to quote here in its entirety but here are some of the more disturbing highlights:

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Nowhere is that sentiment stronger than in the Senate, where McCain has few friends or supporters. In fact, when McCain ran for the Republican nomination for president in 2000, only four Republican senators endorsed him.

"I have witnessed incidents where he has used profanity at colleagues and exploded at colleagues," former Sen. Bob Smith told me for the article. A New Hampshire Republican, Smith served with McCain on the Senate Armed Services Committee, on a select committee on POWs missing in action, and on Republican policy committees.

"He would disagree about something and then explode," Smith said. "[There were] incidents of irrational behavior. We've all had incidents where we have gotten angry, but I've never seen anyone act like that."

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"He had very few friends in the Senate," said former Sen. Smith, who dealt with McCain daily. "He has a lot of support around the country, but I don't think he has a lot of support from people who know him well."

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"People who disagree with him get the f*** you," said former Rep. John LeBoutillier, a New York Republican who had an encounter with McCain when he was on a POW task force in the House. "I think he is mentally unstable and not fit to be president."

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Democrat Paul Johnson, the former mayor of Phoenix, saw McCain's temper up close.

"His volatility borders in the area of being unstable," Johnson has said. ""Before I let this guy put his finger on the button, I would have to give considerable pause."

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In 1992, Robin Silver and Bob Witzeman, both medical doctors, met with McCain at his Phoenix office to discuss the endangered Mount Graham red squirrel. At the mention of the issue, McCain erupted.

"He slammed his fists on his desk, scattering papers across the room," Silver said. "He jumped up and down, screaming obscenities at us for at least 10 minutes. He shook his fists as if he was going to slug us."

After Silver pointed out that his behavior was inappropriate, "He apologized and was contrite," Silver said.

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McCain's office did not respond to my requests for comment about his anger.

However, when I appeared on Tucker Carlson's MSNBC show "The Situation" to discuss NewsMax's disclosures about McCain's anger on July 6, Carlson said on the air, "We got a call earlier tonight from McCain's Senate office suggesting that we not do this story. [They were] annoyed about it."

Intimidation Tactics

That hint at intimidation is one reason why major media outlets may think twice about revealing what they know about McCain's temper, which is widely whispered about in Washington. With the exception of NewsMax, no media outlet has been willing to suffer the possibility of lack of access to a candidate who could wind up in the White House by reporting the full story of McCain's dark side.

In the past, McCain has alternately denied being prone to angry outbursts or admitted he struggles to control his anger or has claimed he only becomes angry over waste and abuse. But those who have experienced his anger say it does not erupt over policy issues or waste and abuse. Rather, his outbursts manifest themselves when peers disagree with McCain or tell him they won't support him.

In his 2002 book, "Worth the Fighting For: A Memoir," McCain said, "I have a temper, to state the obvious, which I have tried to control with varying degrees of success because it does not always serve my interest or the public's."

But the Baltimore Sun quoted McCain on March 20 as denying he had a temper.

"Just because someone says it's there, you would have to provide some corroboration that it was," McCain said. "Because I do not lose my temper. I do not . . . for someone to say that McCain became just angry and yelled or raised my voice or — it's just not true," McCain said.

Just two days earlier, however, McCain said at a forum in Scottsdale, Ariz., "I have had a bad temper in my life." Saying he displayed his temper in his early days in office, McCain said, "Every time I ever lost my temper, I regretted it since then."

If McCain has trouble keeping his story straight, it has not detracted from his glowing press coverage. The media routinely portray McCain as an amiable war hero, a man of moderation and compassion.

In part because McCain gives reporters access and charms them with his apparent openness, and in part because they relish his periodic criticisms of President Bush's policies and of the FBI and CIA, the media have largely ignored McCain's anger issues and a string of inappropriate, offensive comments he has made.

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So far, no one has claimed that McCain's temper has manifested itself openly in front of a reporter such as Purdum writing a story about him. Nor does McCain's temper compare with Clinton's or Giuliani's. McCain displays what colleagues describe as vicious, irrational behavior when they disagree with him. Clinton and Giuliani get mad at subordinates in a more controlled way when they think they have not done their jobs.
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This is a dangerous trap a lot of people fall into.


What you wrote is not true.



But, it is revealing of how you view things.


Why describe this kid by his race.

The African race did not get together to steal your pencil.

Why not say a Libra kid (if that is his astrological sign) stole your pencil.

A Coke drinking kid stole your pencil.

A Nikes shoe wearing kid stole your pencil.

A freckle faced kid stole your pencil.

A Republican kid stole your pencil.


The African race did not get together and vote to steal your pencil.

I am guilty of my own bias myself.
I often ask myself what difference it makes when I relate a story and include things like "race", "gay" or other descriptive that apply to a group.
Am I only talking about an individuals behavior?
If so, than the descriptive word had no value in the story.
is that why you can't vote for obama?
but slobber all over hillary, cause white ppl were nicer to you growing up while hillary has the personal ethics of a pit boss?

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Only in FYM would the idea be floated of finding fault with the character of a man who is battled test and true patriot for his country, only in FYM.
Oh, so serving in the military and being a POW automatically means your character is wonderful and perfect?
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More on McCain's temper here. It is worth reading. Seems like a balanced piece though I am unfamiliar with the source.
http://archive.newsmax.com/archives/...0/182118.shtml

It's too long to quote here in its entirety but here are some of the more disturbing highlights:

were so troubled by this joyful.


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again, experience can give you people like Cheney and Rumsfeld.

it's about leadership, judgment, and temperance.
Leadership is at the core of what being a military officer is about. McCain was a military officer for 23 years and had to deal with situations on daily basis that required great leadership, judgment and temperance.
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Leadership is at the core of what being a military officer is about. McCain was a military officer for 23 years and had to deal with situations on daily basis that required great leadership, judgment and temperance.


and if the military were the same thing as politics, you might have a point.

one consistent thing about McCain that has dogged him his entire career is his temperament, as this is one of the many things that Bush used against him to defeat him in 2000.

it's funny for you to pretend it isn't there, when it was used against him by the current president.
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The American ppl will take John McCain's questionable tempremant over Hillary's ethics and Obama's inexperience.

Wait and see.

As I was correct in 04 so shall be in 09, causing only db9 to shine.

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The American ppl will take John McCain's questionable tempremant over Hillary's ethics and Obama's inexperience.

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It's possible. The American ppl have had very bad judgment in the past, too.
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The American ppl will take John McCain's questionable tempremant over Hillary's ethics and Obama's inexperience.


you may well be correct. there are far worse men out there than John McCain (whereas there were few worse men than Bush & Co.)

but we shall see.
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u guys missed my whole db9ryhming jingle.

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and if the military were the same thing as politics, you might have a point.

one consistent thing about McCain that has dogged him his entire career is his temperament, as this is one of the many things that Bush used against him to defeat him in 2000.

it's funny for you to pretend it isn't there, when it was used against him by the current president.
it's funny that you gloss over most of McCain's life in favor of a few cherry picked allegations about his temperament and that you think Bush was right to pursue such an issue in his compaign against McCain back in 2000. Your hero Bill Clinton has had plenty of his own testy moments. But he never had to land an aircraft on a bobbing aircraft carrier in the middle of the ocean in total darkness. I think it would be better to independently look at McCain's entire life in order to assess his temperament instead of just following the latest media flap up about him.
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it's funny that you gloss over most of McCain's life in favor of a few cherry picked allegations about his temperament and that you think Bush was right to pursue such an issue in his compaign against McCain back in 2000.



slow down, kiddo. i didn't say Bush was "right" to make McCain out to be a raving lunatic with PTSD and psychotic tendencies. Bush did that all on his own, and it worked. i'm sorry it worked, as i thought what they did to him in 2000 was almost as disgusting as the Swift Boat ads, but it was done, and done effectively. as you continuously point out, the American people voted for George W. Bush. thus, they must be right. again, if we are to follow your own logic.




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Your hero Bill Clinton has had plenty of his own testy moments. But he never had to land an aircraft on a bobbing aircraft carrier in the middle of the ocean in total darkness. I think it would be better to independently look at McCain's entire life in order to assess his temperament instead of just following the latest media flap up about him.

easy there, tiger! where i have i referred to Bill Clinton as my "hero"? or do you need to make shit up in order to try to make a point? lots of people have landed aircraft on carriers in total darkness. that does not make them good choices to be president. i know people who work for McCain, as well as lots of people who worked for Kyle, and i have heard plenty of stories about McCain and his famous temper. there is much to McCain's life that i admire. i do question his temperance, and especially his judgment about the appropriateness of war. it's good that he's gone to great lengths to distance himself from Bush, i respect that. but this does not mean i find him a better choice than Obama or Hillary.

the aircraft carrier thing is funny, too, since Bush has landed on an aircraft carrier.
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the aircraft carrier thing is funny, too, since Bush has landed on an aircraft carrier.
has landed

and had to land

are quite different
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has landed

and had to land

are quite different



but the irony abounds.

why didn't we just elect Martin Sheen?
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