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Recruits Sought for Porn Squad

By Barton Gellman
Washington Post Staff Writer
Tuesday, September 20, 2005; Page A21

The FBI is joining the Bush administration's War on Porn. And it's looking for a few good agents.

Early last month, the bureau's Washington Field Office began recruiting for a new anti-obscenity squad. Attached to the job posting was a July 29 Electronic Communication from FBI headquarters to all 56 field offices, describing the initiative as "one of the top priorities" of Attorney General Alberto R. Gonzales and, by extension, of "the Director." That would be FBI Director Robert S. Mueller III.

Mischievous commentary began propagating around the water coolers at 601 Fourth St. NW and its satellites, where the FBI's second-largest field office concentrates on national security, high-technology crimes and public corruption.

The new squad will divert eight agents, a supervisor and assorted support staff to gather evidence against "manufacturers and purveyors" of pornography -- not the kind exploiting children, but the kind that depicts, and is marketed to, consenting adults.

"I guess this means we've won the war on terror," said one exasperated FBI agent, speaking on the condition of anonymity because poking fun at headquarters is not regarded as career-enhancing. "We must not need any more resources for espionage."

Among friends and trusted colleagues, an experienced national security analyst said, "it's a running joke for us."

A few of the printable samples:

"Things I Don't Want On My Résumé, Volume Four."

"I already gave at home."

"Honestly, most of the guys would have to recuse themselves."

Federal obscenity prosecutions, which have been out of style since Attorney General Edwin Meese III in the Reagan administration made pornography a signature issue in the 1980s, do "encounter many legal issues, including First Amendment claims," the FBI headquarters memo noted.

[...]

But Gonzales endorses the rationale of predecessor Meese: that adult pornography is a threat to families and children. Christian conservatives, long skeptical of Gonzales, greeted the pornography initiative with what the Family Research Council called "a growing sense of confidence in our new attorney general."

Congress began funding the obscenity initiative in fiscal 2005 and specified that the FBI must devote 10 agents to adult pornography. The bureau decided to create a dedicated squad only in the Washington Field Office. "All other field offices may investigate obscenity cases pursuant to this initiative if resources are available," the directive from headquarters said. "Field offices should not, however, divert resources from higher priority matters, such as public corruption."

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because, you know, the FBI has nothing else to do right now.

:banghead:
 
I wish the Christian Taliban would get a life and stop trying to legislate and enforce Christian morality into the secular world. Adult pornography isn't even illegal, so how do they think they can legally get away with this?

Melon
 
melon said:
I wish the Christian Taliban would get a life and stop trying to legislate and enforce Christian morality into the secular world. Adult pornography isn't even illegal, so how do they think they can legally get away with this?



didn't you hear?

legal, regulated porn depicting acts between consenting adults *harms children and families*.

oh, that, and Gonzales is seeking to brush up his conservative credentials with the GOP base while the Supreme Court has an opening.
 
Tell children and families to stop buying porn then. Why don't they turn off their TVs, burn their phone and electrical cords, give away all their money, and live like the Amish if the "real world' is so big and bad?

Melon
 
melon said:
I wish the Christian Taliban would get a life and stop trying to legislate and enforce Christian morality into the secular world. Adult pornography isn't even illegal, so how do they think they can legally get away with this?

It's not illegal per se, but obscenity is, so if the Porn Squad chooses their jurisdictions wisely, they'll likely have little trouble securing a nice batch of convictions, which could adversely affect the climate all adult-oriented businesses operate in. And maybe even force a challenge to Miller v. California (source of the current obscenity standards) that would result in a far more restrictive definition. I wonder if that is, in fact, the longterm goal.

Regarding your first comment--in my experience, there are a quite a lot of nonreligious people who also want to see porn completely eradicated, and can work themselves into quite a froth on the topic. I do live in a fairly conservative area, though.
 
i wonder what studio will option the rights to The Porn Squad?

who will it star?

i'm seeing a group of three -- Rob Lowe (the hot one), Jeremy Piven (the funny one), and Jenna Jamesion (we need a porn actress trying to go mainstream).

bad guys will be an evil porn couple played by Woody Harrelson and Pamela Anderson.
 
You're right - what harm.....

"Inside" bends over backward in its attempts to color director Gerard Damiano and stars Linda Lovelace and Harry Reems as artistically uncompromising First Amendment revolutionaries. But it achieves maximum stimulation when it's chronicling how a bunch of nobodies (including nutty location scout Lenny Camp) unwittingly produced the most profitable film in history (shot in six days, it cost only $25,000 and has allegedly grossed over $600 million) and how it actually made pornography acceptable for the masses (or at least more acceptable).

We also learn where all that money really went (the Mob) and about Lovelace's roller-coaster relationship with the project that made her famous: "Every time someone watches that movie," she told the Meese Commission on Pornography in 1986, "they're watching me being raped."

I doubt her story is unique.
 
nbcrusader said:
You're right - what harm.....



I doubt her story is unique.

What she did in Deep Throat is nothing compared to the stuff in porn today. The more freaky you get, the more money you get. Most of the people who participate do so willingly because it pays way more than a job at Walmart or a retail store. Yeah, some of it is depraved but stop trying to take away people's right to choose whether it is a good or bad choice. Isn't America a free country?:eyebrow:
 
trevster2k said:
Most of the people who participate do so willingly

Are you satisfied that only most participate willingly??

Bear in mind, the proposed investigation focuses on "manufacturers and purveyors" - not people "looking at porn in their own home".
 
nbcrusader said:
You're right - what harm.....



I doubt her story is unique.


sorry, "Deep Throat" is extremely dated, was financed with mob money, and Lovelace is hardly a typical porn actress. she's also not considered reliable. nobody in the adult film business bought her act -- in their minds, she repudiated her past in order to gain the acceptance of people who hadn't seen her movies. the porn industry uses the term "Linda Syndrome" to refer to former porn stars who disavow their careers.

(i had to look that up, btw, lest i come off as some sort of staright porn expert)

also, the point here is not to defend the porn industry but to point out a massive waste of FBI time for political gain when there is, you know, a war going on.
 
nbcrusader said:


Are you satisfied that only most participate willingly??

Bear in mind, the proposed investigation focuses on "manufacturers and purveyors" - not people "looking at porn in their own home".



is this how you want the FBI to spend their money, time and resources?
 
Irvine511 said:
also, the point here is not to defend the porn industry but to point out a massive waste of FBI time for political gain when there is, you know, a war going on.

Exactly.

And, again, if she was indeed raped, then it wasn't consenting, therefore, it's wrong and should be stopped. But if all involved in a porn are consenting and are doing this for fun and all that sort of thing, why should we care? Why should we get all upset?

Angela
 
Irvine511 said:



sorry, "Deep Throat" is extremely dated, was financed with mob money, and Lovelace is hardly a typical porn actress. she's also not considered reliable. nobody in the adult film business bought her act -- in their minds, she repudiated her past in order to gain the acceptance of people who hadn't seen her movies. the porn industry uses the term "Linda Syndrome" to refer to former porn stars who disavow their careers.

at this point i'm thinking..."wow, impressive irvine :sexywink:"

Irvine511 said:

(i had to look that up, btw, lest i come off as some sort of staright porn expert)

and then the big let down. :sad:

deep suggested stoning, but i think we should also resume expelling women from the community while they are menstrating.
 
not to toss aside NBC's point, yes, i do think that porn can be "a bad thing." like cigarettes, and alcohol, the poison you're fed at McDonalds, etc.

i just don't think it's enough of a bad thing to worry the FBI with.
 
Irvine511 said:
not to toss aside NBC's point, yes, i do think that porn can be "a bad thing." like cigarettes, and alcohol, the poison you're fed at McDonalds, etc.

i just don't think it's enough of a bad thing to worry the FBI with.

I hate porn. I think it's trash that doesn't do anyone any good. It's just that there are things I consider worse--this includes kickbacks.
 
Moonlit_Angel said:
And, again, if she was indeed raped, then it wasn't consenting, therefore, it's wrong and should be stopped. But if all involved in a porn are consenting and are doing this for fun and all that sort of thing, why should we care? Why should we get all upset?

Angela

That is a huge "IF" to toss aside the subject. If there is in essense a form of sex slave trade encompassing those in the porn industry who are not giving true consent, would you want that investigated and stopped?

And given the recent cries of "where is the Federal government!!!" - would not the FBI be the agency of choice to investigate such activities??
 
nbcrusader said:


That is a huge "IF" to toss aside the subject. If there is in essense a form of sex slave trade encompassing those in the porn industry who are not giving true consent, would you want that investigated and stopped?

And given the recent cries of "where is the Federal government!!!" - would not the FBI be the agency of choice to investigate such activities??


not giving true consent, would you want that investigated and stopped?

would you include married women
with domineering, controlling husbands
 
nbcrusader said:


That is a huge "IF" to toss aside the subject. If there is in essense a form of sex slave trade encompassing those in the porn industry who are not giving true consent, would you want that investigated and stopped?

And given the recent cries of "where is the Federal government!!!" - would not the FBI be the agency of choice to investigate such activities??


i think it's a huge, huge mistake to compare, say, the worst natural disaster on American soil since 1906 to the porn industry.

also, i think you underestimate women in the porn industry -- there's sexism embedded in your post.
 
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