A_Wanderer
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Islamic terrorism is like Bolshevism before it had a large state of it's own; but the oil price is seeing that turning around very rapidly.
AEON said:
Do you seriously think it is possible to overestimate Islamic extremists after 9-11?
Scarletwine said:
Then many people are fools. Most studies and Osama's own words point to the elimination of occupation of Muslim countries by the US, Israel, stop the proping up of brutal regimes (with oil) like the Saudis, and get US troops out of sacred lands.
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AEON said:
That is only a step in their overall goal. They have stated over and over that they want to convert the world.
AEON said:BVS - You still haven't listed what you would fight for.
The militants are only being kept in check by the US and its allies' military and intillegence agencies. Otherwise, things would be far worse.
9-11 proved that our enemy is willing to kill innocent civilians. Not only willing, but actually targeting innocent civilians.
And if you don't think Islam isn't spreading like wildfire in Western Europe you need to do some quick Google searches.
Iraq is only a part of the global war. I agree it is being conducted like a soup sandwich, and we need to either step it up or get out.
BonoVoxSupastar said:
I'm not sure why this list is so important to you. It really has nothing to do with this discussion, but it's probably pretty similar to your list, which I really don't care for.
AEON said:
I absolutely agree - I just listed a few examples. The police and firefighters that responded to the WTC and the Penteagon are prime examples of heroism. So is my wife - who is strong enough to run our family when I'm needed outside the country.
One day, when my infant son is enjoying the freedom to choose his religion, he will ask me what I did in the war - and I'll be able to answer proudly that our family responded to the call, like so many families before us; that our family understood that freedom sometimes requires sacrifice.
AEON said:
I'm confused - you say you don't care for my list of things worth fighting for, but then you say your list is probably the same as mine...
Is it really that difficult to write down a few things that you would be willing to fight or even die for?
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BonoVoxSupastar said:
When I said, "don't care for", I meant I don't need to see. My wording was bad.
It's very similar to Irvine's other thread, which I would hope most American's list are similar, that why I said what I did.
I knew if I had made a specific you would find a way to twist my words and frankly I'm tired of that and didn't want to deal with it.
AEON said:
Yeah. I guess I wouldn't want to see you in a position where you must take your posts to their logical conclusion:
A - is something I hold dear
B - I will fight to protect "A" if "A" is attacked
If you admit "A" is under attack, you must commit to "B" - fight to protect "A"
BonoVoxSupastar said:
Once again my point has flown past you by miles.
AEON said:
How so? What IS your point?
Man, trying to understand what you are trying to say in this thread is like figuring out the clues in the "Name of the Rose."
If you admit "A" is under attack, you must commit to "B" - fight to protect "A"
Irvine511 said:
1. i don't think this is a meaningful question -- "stopped" isn't the correct word, perhaps "rendered irrelevant" or "strip it of it's seductive power." this is achieved through a variety of responses, the most meaningful of which would be to first address the Israel/Palestinian issue.
2. see above.
3. i am willing to provide our intelligence forces with all the tools they need, withing the boundaries of the Constitution and International Law, to effectively track and destroy certain terrorist ringleaders and i am willing to sacrafice a minimum of personal liberty in order to better ensure my own safety, to a degree. i do not think that the invasion of countries that have nothing to do with Islamic extremism makes us safer, in fact it makes us less so.
i also reject the questions you've laid out at the end of the question -- you're making the assumption that i'm making the assumption that Islamic extremism will magically disappear if we pull out of Iraq and free everyone from Gitmo. i don't. but i think a tenable resolution to Iraq is critical (we never should have ever been there) combined with what must be seen as fair legal proceedings for those who are in Gitmo is crucial to restoring America's standing in the world.
but, mostly, i think one of the best things we can do to combat the radicalization of much of the Muslmi world would be to get a brand new commander-in-chief who'll tone down the cowboy rhetoric, admit mistakes and work to rectify them, aggressively pursue the tiny minority of truly lethal radicals and their financers, and restore the respect once accorded to the US in both the Muslim world and in the minds of our allies.
BonoVoxSupastar said:
With your last post you were trying to back me in the corner with your black and white logic.
But you only see one way to fight, I don't. I don't know how much clearer I can make that.
AEON said:
Fair enough. How would you fight the global war on terror?
AEON said:
Howevere, I don't quite know what "addressing" the Israel/Palestinian issue means. As far many are concerned, there is no solution until Israel is wiped off the map. We have been "addressing" this issues since 1947, nothing has really worked so far.
BonoVoxSupastar said:
Let's see, I would have stuck to one issue at the time, Afghanistan, sent the troops and resources needed.
AEON said:Howevere, I don't quite know what "addressing" the Israel/Palestinian issue means. As far many are concerned, there is no solution until Israel is wiped off the map. We have been "addressing" this issues since 1947, nothing has really worked so far.
AEON said:
So you do support the use of military force in Afghanistan. We agree on something
AEON said:
I wonder if we agree on the reason as to why our forces are there. Why do you support our mission there? Is it to remove the Taliban, get UBL, build a democracy? Did you consider the nation of Afghanistan a direct threat?
BonoVoxSupastar said:
I support the removal of the Taliban.
Scarletwine said:There have been scholars that say Ahmadinajen(?) speech was mistranslated. he wants Zionism gone not the state of Israel.