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Old 07-23-2007, 06:41 PM   #21
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This debate is more in your face...I'm liking it.
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As usual, I Joe Biden, and he'd make a great Sec. of State.
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it was pretty good


they have too much class to tear each other apart

I was thinking the same thing

about Kucinich's wife being the best thing about him
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I was thinking the same thing

about Kucinich's wife being the best thing about him


Mike Gravel is

He's beyond the Democratic party.
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Gravel

seems to be more libertarian

with that consumption tax replacing income tax talk



also, I liked Obama's video, music and all
I think he could really work hard to get the vote out, even if Hil gets the nom and he is not on the ticket.
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Obama's video was fantastic. But he's made great commercials all along - very inspiring.

I actually liked all of them well enough, except Gravel who is really kind of eating up space and time. I'd vote for each of them over any Republican. That said, I think Hillary will be the nominee (unless Obama pulls off a miracle).

Hillary isn't my favourite, but she came across quite well. She is authoritative and well spoken. I also like that the Clintons would probably be willing to slit throats to get elected; there is something almost genuinely honest about that.
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I am usually not a Hillary fan, but tonight she was excellent. I was very impressed. Gravel was soooo crazy, a little frightening at times lol.
Obama was excellent as well, but at this point I feel Hillary will get the nomination.
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That said, I think Hillary will be the nominee (unless Obama pulls off a miracle).

Hillary isn't my favourite, but she came across quite well. She is authoritative and well spoken. I also like that the Clintons would probably be willing to slit throats to get elected; there is something almost genuinely honest about that.


i'm an Obama-boy, but i agree with this.

she has deftly come into her own over this past spring and summer, and truly comes off -- along with Biden, actually -- as the true global heavyweight, able to stare Putin and Iran in the face and not blink, and yet there's no swagger.

i do think she could do wonders for us diplomatically. it's difficult to underestimate how much the rest of the world loves Bill Clinton -- and i've heard this from even stridently anti-American Europeans -- and she's held in almost as high esteem.

i just dread another president that nearly half the electorate holds an irrational hatred.

i want to get past the baby boom and their "with us/against us" mentalities. let's turn the page.
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I loved the one Gravel rant where they zoomed in on his face. He had the "Ron Artest about to fight the Palace at Auburn Hills" look in his eye the entire time. High comedy.
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I liked Hillary better than usual and for the first time could imagine voting for her. I think she's really the most qualified.
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I liked Hillary better than usual and for the first time could imagine voting for her. I think she's really the most qualified.
I've heard that from 3 people tonight, which is interesting.
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the gay marriage section -- am watching what i missed earlier this evening -- and it's amazing how they just can't say they support gay marriage. they do, in content, just not in form.

why not?

it reminds me of someone loving and supporting their daughter and her spouse, but they just can't bring themselves to say the words, "my daughter is a lesbian."

or, they're just chickenshit.
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or, they're just chickenshit.
I think it's pure politics.
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is the debate up online anywhere to watch?
(or tv)
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is the debate up online anywhere to watch?
(or tv)
It's re-running right now on CNN in my time zone (MDT).
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I liked Hillary better than usual and for the first time could imagine voting for her. I think she's really the most qualified.
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Hillary still doesn't do it for me


None of them do. I love Joe Biden, but he has no chance of getting nominated, which is why I support him for Sec. of State. Other than that, the other candidates haven't convinced me that they deserve my vote.
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the gay marriage section -- am watching what i missed earlier this evening -- and it's amazing how they just can't say they support gay marriage. they do, in content, just not in form.

why not?

it reminds me of someone loving and supporting their daughter and her spouse, but they just can't bring themselves to say the words, "my daughter is a lesbian."

or, they're just chickenshit.

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I believe that equality of opportunity should be afforded to all Americans regardless of race, color, creed or sexual orientation. For that reason I support the right of gay, lesbian, bisexual and transgendered persons to have the full protections and rights afforded under civil law including the right to marry the person of their choice. - Kucinich
what is so chickenshit about that?

He is the ONLY candidate that not only supports same-sex marriage, but also:
-including sexual orientation and gender identity in the federal hate crimes law
-family medical leave for same sex couples
-same-sex immigration
-gay and lesbian adoption
-repealing of don't ask don't tell

if this man stands for what you (collectively, not "you as in just you Irvine) believe in, then why overlook him? if we don't vote for what we REALLY want in the primaries, why bother voting at all? clinton and obama are ONLY the front runners because the media makes them out to be. i find nothing in their platform to be convincing of true change. we have this opportunity to vote for what we really want for this country, why not support the person who embodies our ideals?
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Kucinich has no chance whatsoever, but he has interesting ideas. Particularly abolishing NAFTA - what a fantastic idea.
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