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Old 08-05-2007, 08:18 PM   #21
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OH NO.

Women are ... are ... WORKING! AND GETTING PAID DECENTLY TOO!

It's the Apocalypse, people.

Seriously, for fuck's sake. This article completely fails to show a bias against men. It's all in your mind, financeguy.
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Old 08-05-2007, 08:37 PM   #22
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I just can't fathom, how someone comes up with the conclusions this poster does from the "evidence" he provides.
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oh noes

More evidence that those broads are taking over! If we only knew how to stop them!

http://www.latimes.com/news/printedi...-pe-california

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According to preliminary figures, 87 women are entering a freshman class of 206 students in September. That 37% share is Caltech's highest since it began admitting undergraduate women in 1970,
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Although Caltech insists that it did not lower its notoriously tough admission standards or practice affirmative action for women, the school said it more actively and shrewdly recruited women this year.
Clearly Caltech must be discriminating against men.











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the reason why women are beginning to outpace men both in terms of college applications, and then acceptance, as well as graduate school application, and then acceptance, is because they tend to have much, much higher GPAs.

so, if we can generally accept that tests like the SAT or the GRE or the LSAT are culturally biased against different socioeconomic groups, can we accept that the structure of high school, in particular, where one must sit still and pay attention and take detailed notes and master material and then spit it back out for a test, is culturally biased against men?

surely we're not going to say that women are simply smarter than men, are we? we'd never say that one group -- say, Southeast Asian Indians -- are smarter than another group -- say, Latino/as -- simply because they have much higher average SAT scores?

are men/boys disadvantaged by the very structure of the secondary education system itself?
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Re: oh noes

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Clearly Caltech must be discriminating against men.

You think so?

It's an interesting point. It is well known that men tend to be better at science, so if the male proportion of a college's intake into science courses is rapidly decreasing it could well be that they are indeed discriminating against men.

An interesting point - thanks for raising it.


BTW, I love the typically PC title on this article:- "Caltech chemistry improves".

A decline in male enrolments is unambiguously a good thing, in the LA Times's view of the world.
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It's an interesting point. It is well known that men tend to be better at science, so if the male proportion of a college's intake into science courses is rapidly decreasing it could well be that they are indeed discriminating against men......

A decline in male enrolments is unambiguously a good thing, in the LA Times's view of the world.
You are pathetic in your paranoia. You read an article about how one fucking third of a freshman class is women, how this particular college only allowed women to be undergrads in 1970, and you conclude that the male population in thses colleges is "rapidly decreasing."

You poor perscuted thing.



I cannot imagine the misfortune of your female coworkers.


Where's that ignore button?
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are men/boys disadvantaged by the very structure of the secondary education system itself?
A legitimate point, but neither of these articles is about that.
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A legitimate point, but neither of these articles is about that.


true, i was being quite tangental.
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are men/boys disadvantaged by the very structure of the secondary education system itself?
I think that is an interesting point. At the same time, a good question would be whether today's generation of boys is somehow different than the one even 20 years ago, when they were still dominating university admissions and professional programs. These are good sociological studies to pursue.

But pay equity is really a whole other beast and financeguy seems, frankly paranoid. He states men are "better" at science - is that actually true or has it just been male-dominated for centuries. With equity in admissions to things like engineering, will we see a reversal in this belief that men are somehow better in those disciplines? Time will tell.
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You are pathetic in your paranoia. You read an article about how one fucking third of a freshman class is women, how this particular college only allowed women to be undergrads in 1970, and you conclude that the male population in thses colleges is "rapidly decreasing."

You poor perscuted thing.



I cannot imagine the misfortune of your female coworkers.


Where's that ignore button?

You are a nasty bigot, a liar and a hypocrite.

You are not fit to be allowed near children, with your nasty bigotted attitudes.
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Where's that ignore button?
Yes, I can imagine it's tough listening to a point of view outside of whatever Andrea Dworking tracts that form your usual staple.
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You are a nasty bigot, a liar and a hypocrite.

You are not fit to be allowed near children, with your nasty bigotted attitudes.
To report, or to allow to be discovered?

There's no evidence to support his claims, so clearly this poster doesn't share his gender's mastery of logic and science.

I point out that women were only allowed in a particular college 37 years ago, and I get called all sorts of well-spelled epithets.

Clearly, the uppityness of women has driven this poster over the edge. I imagine that only a vacation to Saudi Arabia or Pakistan would soothe and restore his wearied male fortitude; some time in a country where women know their place will help.
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Yes, I can imagine it's tough listening to a point of view outside of whatever Andrea Dworking tracts that form your usual staple.
who?
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I think that is an interesting point. At the same time, a good question would be whether today's generation of boys is somehow different than the one even 20 years ago, when they were still dominating university admissions and professional programs. These are good sociological studies to pursue.
I was going to make this point after Sandy and I returned from the park. Did this train of thought only develop when girls started getting accepted to universities that would finally allow them to apply?
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This thread gets five stars from me!
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I was going to make this point after Sandy and I returned from the park. Did this train of thought only develop when girls started getting accepted to universities that would finally allow them to apply?


my guess is that girls started outperforming boys when more opportunities became available to them and they began to have career role models -- doctors, scientists, astronauts -- that weren't available to my mother, who was told by her parents that she could be a nurse, a teacher, or a secretary.

i'm still quite curious about the achievement gap in GPA between girls and boys, one that didn't exist, i don't think, 20-30 years ago.

but since this has nothing to do with the articles, i'm happy to drop this line of thought out of respect for the original intent of the thread.
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who?


Andrea Dworkin.
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but since this has nothing to do with the articles, i'm happy to drop this line of thought out of respect for the original intent of the thread.
I don't have any respect for the original intent of this thread anymore, so we might as well discuss something legitimate.
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Andrea Dworkin.
Ahhh. I remember her. No wonder she would scare the living shit of of Mr. Finance Guy.
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Well, I have reported the insults directed at me and mispresentation of my point of view that went on in the thread, I assume that action will be taken in due course.
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