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Old 02-01-2011, 01:23 AM   #321
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let's invade.
But we already invaded that territorywhichalsohappenstobeIraq called "Egypt".
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No way! Fox do that all too often. I don't even understand how they can make mistakes like that.
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You accused someone else of downplaying a story?
Please elaborate, then. Though- wait- let me guess what you're going to say:


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No way! Fox do that all too often. I don't even understand how they can make mistakes like that.
There's really no good answer for that.

Either they are dumb as rocks with no oversight.
Or, they know, and they just toy with their audience--some then feel smart because they caught the mistake, some will NEVER know the difference and don't care.

Pathetic either way.


BTW--Does Fox News have an Ombudsman?
Have they ever issued a correction or a "Fox News regrets the error" statement?
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Old 02-01-2011, 10:49 AM   #325
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Wrong. It was a story. The men showed up in military uniforms, carried weapons, and hurled racial slurs at people. A lawsuit was brought. The Bush DOJ looked into it. The Obama DOJ looked into it. Former DOJ employees criticized Holder's decision-making in the matter.

That makes for a worthy news story. Your attempt to read more into it is just sad. Would you be as quick to dismiss it if it were white supremacists?

it was TWO guys. possible only even one. who left. no votes were intimidated. wow, you mean a DOJ employee expressed some dissatisfaction with a new boss from a different administration? stop the presses! someone disagreed with a decision made by his bosses!

and Fox devotes almost 4 HOURS of coverage to it? 35 different segments!?!

don't know if you watched Beck's "analysis" of Egypt last night, but no other "news" network in a free country would ever broadcast such paranoid nonsense.

but, hey, Glen Beck's just a guy askin' questions. and whats hilarious is watching the GOP scramble to realign their talking points with Fox News. you may not take Palin, Beck, Hannity, or O'Reilly serious, but the rest of the GOP is forced to, because many Fox News viewers do not get the joke that's being played on them.
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Please elaborate, then. Though- wait- let me guess what you're going to say:


KOCH BROTHERS! KOCH BROTHERS, YOU GUYS!
I mean, the only reason we're talking about this MSNBC story is because you referenced it in order to downplay a Fox News story. I mean, you're accusing Irvine of downplaying a downplay.

And I will continue to mention that the Koch Brothers run the Tea Party until everyone stops pretending it's a grassroots movement.
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This has to be intentional. It's not even logical that someone could "accidentally" place Egypt there.

As to what the intent was, I really couldn't begin to imagine.
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Old 02-01-2011, 11:53 AM   #328
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don't know if you watched Beck's "analysis" of Egypt last night, but no other "news" network in a free country would ever broadcast such paranoid nonsense.
I'm watching this on youtube now. The levels of hysteria and stupidity on display are just unfathomable. Staggering.
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I mean, the only reason we're talking about this MSNBC story is because you referenced it in order to downplay a Fox News story. I mean, you're accusing Irvine of downplaying a downplay.
No.

The FNC story you're referring to is the clip of Fox and Friends running cricket sounds after Obama's jokes at the SOTU, right? If so, you need to re-read my original post on that. I said it was childish and stupid, and I don't think anyone in here is disputing that. Ditto for the Egypt graphic. Bad journalism.

However, if people are going to cite that as proof that FNC is not news, then you MUST say the same thing about MSNBC after selectively editing the footage I posted. You MUST. There's no way around it. All I hear in here are people proclaiming FNC as not a news organization, but never MSNBC despite examples of such deceit and irresponsibility. Will you admit that MSNBC is not news? The fact that people here say "sure, the primetime is biased, but the rest of the day is credible stuff" is just baffling. Apparently you don't concur.
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Although, it is interesting to see Fox presenters coming around to reverse positions on arguments from nearly ten years ago.
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No.

The FNC story you're referring to is the clip of Fox and Friends running cricket sounds after Obama's jokes at the SOTU, right? If so, you need to re-read my original post on that. I said it was childish and stupid, and I don't think anyone in here is disputing that. Ditto for the Egypt graphic. Bad journalism.

However, if people are going to cite that as proof that FNC is not news, then you MUST say the same thing about MSNBC after selectively editing the footage I posted. You MUST. There's no way around it. All I hear in here are people proclaiming FNC as not a news organization, but never MSNBC despite examples of such deceit and irresponsibility. Will you admit that MSNBC is not news? The fact that people here say "sure, the primetime is biased, but the rest of the day is credible stuff" is just baffling. Apparently you don't concur.
You want me to say Fox and MSNBC cancel each other out, and that's just not true. It's not. I can't in good conscious say it's true, because it isn't. Fox is much, much worse. They have a much tighter agenda, a larger audience, and have done more harm than all other networks combined.
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I'm watching this on youtube now. The levels of hysteria and stupidity on display are just unfathomable. Staggering.


hey, hey! he's just asking questions the MSM won't touch.
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This whole Fox vs. NBC thing is kinda funny, like you guys are rooting for teams.

How about we agree they are both shitty and suitable for light popcorn political entertainment at best?

If I want big boy news I watch/read the BBC, read The Economist or listen to NPR political analysis.
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The part I liked was Beck bringing up the “Why do they hate us?” question. He said it wasn’t because “they hate our freedom” as per George W Bush, that it was because of the history of US policies and actions in the region. Of course, from there, he takes it off into complete nuttyland, but still, he said this on FOX NEWS.

Remember, the “why do they hate us” question was one of the major, major battlegrounds back in the immediate post 9/11 years. If in those with-us-or-against-us years of 01-03, you had the balls to dare suggest that it was, perhaps, only even in just some small, tiny part, possibly because of US/Western policies and actions in the region, you would have copped a barrage of abuse from Fox hosts for a good month afterwards. ANTI-AMERICAN! ANTI-AMERICAN! And yet, I've seen both Beck and O'Reilly - and to a tiny, tiny degree, Hannity - suggest the same thing in recent days. Beck explicitly. Amazing. Only took nine and a half years. And a political need to steer the rage back around in the other direction.

Of course Beck wasn’t around back then. But I guess if he was, he might not have screamed anti-American, he would have just asked a few questions. Why did this person say this thing? WELL! Just saying, but, you know, here’s a photo of him eating a FALAFEL!!! In PARIS!!!

WHY IS NO-ONE ELSE TELLING YOU THIS!?!?

WHY?

WHY!?!?
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WHY IS NO-ONE ELSE TELLING YOU THIS!?!?

WHY?

WHY!?!?

and this gets to the true beating heart of Fox News.

comparisons about MSNBC are totally besides the point, and besides Fox's MO. they don't care about MSNBC. Fox cares about CNN, ABC, CBS, and ABC, and the NYT, Time, Newsweek, and all the other "mainstream" media that try very hard to genuinely report actual news. often, the news doesn't jive well with conservative policies, hence we saw the rise of the "media bias" charge in the early 1990s -- something that Bill Kristol admitted in 1996 was akin to "working the refs" -- and then the rise of Fox, as a place where you could get the real truth, the real news, from people who were just brave enough to ask questions. suddenly, all those people telling you not to believe the actual news were right! there was a media bias! and look! now we have Fox! sure, it's biased, but so is every other news outlet, right? i mean, what is truth, you know?

Fox has succeeded in destabilizing credible information for a certain segment of the population, and it allows preposterous paranoid nonsense like Beck an outlet, all dressed up as "news," now that it's discredited actual news, at least in your mind.

it has nothing to do with MSNBC. that's a sideshow. Fox is after reality itself.
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I blame Fox News for my parents' belief that when I get off the plane in Dublin this fall, I'll be greeted by an angry mob of bat-wielding Irish folks just waiting to beat up an American.
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I blame Fox News for my parents' belief that when I get off the plane in Dublin this fall, I'll be greeted by an angry mob of bat-wielding Irish folks just waiting to beat up an American.
As people become older, I am finding they become more insular and have stronger, more conservative beliefs.

I have decided to just start ignoring people more and more on an increasing scale based on age.
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And I love this. You know Hannity fired a researcher after this.

"When I said experts I didn't mean real experts! I meant what we normally have - someone, preferably blonde, with an unrelated qualification from an unheard of university who wrote some book once about something that has absolutely nothing to do with the topic!"

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^What I got out of that was: "Look guys,' Muslim Brotherhood as a threat is exagerrated' is not a very exciting story. Couldn't we just stick with the more exciting story, facts be damned?"
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