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Old 02-22-2008, 01:11 PM   #61
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Diamond, you are the only person that flip flops more than Mitt...
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Diamond, you are the only person that flip flops more than Mitt...
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so you're saying McCain *is* ethical?

you sure about that?
compared to the clintons yes.
compared to romney, no.

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In response to a post by Mrs. Springsteen in which she stated that she would illegally voted hundreds of times for John McCain to make Romney lose, you said that she and McCain were birds of the same feather.

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policy wise they are, not ethically.

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You were saying it in reference to a post in which she said she would do something illegal/unethical. It's quite clear what you were saying about McCain.
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policy wise they are, not ethically.

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If you're talking about me your previous comment in that other thread was not about policy, please be honest about that. Not to mention the fact that it was way out of line and unfair because like I told you then, what I said was complete hyperbole. Please refrain from making any more comments about my ethics, which you would really know nothing about anyway.
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compared to the clintons yes.
compared to romney, no.

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i expected nothing less.

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If you're talking about me your previous comment in that other thread was not about policy, please be honest about that. .
Everyone take a deep breath, a Hillary type deep breath.

No, I wasn't talking about you and McCain having similar policies.
I did state or imply that Hillary and McCain have a lot of similar policies.
In that thread, if memory serves me right I said that you and McCain had similar temperaments.

And we need to let Pfan know that cross posting links is in violation of forum rules.

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Yes the temperament comment was out of line too. And I don't remember any mention of Hillary in connection with that thread-have no desire to revisit it either.

The Hillary type breath reference is oh so funny too
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No, I wasn't talking about you and McCain having similar policies.
I did state or imply that Hillary and McCain have a lot of similar policies.
In that thread, if memory serves me right I said that you and McCain had similar temperaments.

And we need to let Pfan know that cross posting links is in violation of forum rules.
Um, what?

(That's in reference to all of what I quoted.)
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I am impressed with these people -

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McCain defends lobbyist ties

By Libby Quaid, Associated Press Writer | February 22, 2008

INDIANAPOLIS --Sen. John McCain said Friday that while lobbyists serve as close advisers to his presidential campaign, they are honorable and he is not influenced by corruption in the system.

McCain, who has styled himself as an enemy of special interests, defended having lobbyists working for his campaign. He is the expected Republican presidential nominee.

"These people have honorable records, and they're honorable people, and I'm proud to have them as part of my team," McCain told reporters following a town hall meeting in Indianapolis.

The issue of lobbying and influence has arisen in published reports, first in The New York Times and then in The Washington Post, suggesting that McCain had an inappropriate relationship with a female lobbyist and advanced the interests of her clients. McCain on Thursday emphatically denied the reports.

Siding with McCain, the White House accused the Times of repeatedly trying to "drop a bombshell" on Republican presidential nominees to undermine their candidacies.

White House deputy press secretary Scott Stanzel noted at a Friday morning briefing that the story has received a lot of attention.

"I think a lot of people here in this building, with experience in a couple campaigns, have grown accustomed to the fact that during the course of the campaign, seemingly on maybe a monthly basis leading up to the convention and maybe a weekly basis after that, The New York Times does try to drop a bombshell on the Republican nominee.

For his part, McCain refused to comment on the White House statements.

"I don't have any more comment about this issue. I had a press conference yesterday morning, and I answered every question," McCain said.

"I'm moving on. I'm talking about the issues and the challenges of America and the big issues that Americans are concerned about. I addressed the issue and addressed every question that was addressed to me.

"I do not intend to discuss it further," he told reporters.

His aides had spent Thursday attacking the Times, but McCain said Friday: "My campaign is not doing that anymore."
Trying to turn attention to Democrats, McCain's campaign issued a press release Friday tweaking Sen. Barack Obama for saying in a debate Thursday night he would meet with new Cuban leader Raul Castro, brother of retiring communist leader Fidel Castro, without preconditions.

"Meet, talk and hope may be a sound approach in a state legislature," McCain said of Obama, a former Illinois state senator, "but it is dangerously naive in international diplomacy where the oppressed look to America for hope and adversaries wish us ill."

McCain was asked how he squares his image as a fighter of special interests with the fact that his senior campaign team is largely made up with lobbyists. McCain has battled to reform the system of influence in Washington through campaign finance restrictions, new ethics rules and opposition to the use of earmarks by members of Congress to fund pet projects.

"I square it one way," McCain said. "The right to represent interests or groups of Americans is a constitutional right. There are people that represent firemen, civil servants, retirees, and those people are legitimate representatives of a variety of interests in America.

"It's not whether the individuals, many of whom are very honorable -- it's whether a system or people have violated the trust of the people as representatives," he said.

The Times said McCain was not alone among presidential candidates to rely on lobbyists to help run his campaign. In McCain's case, the Times said, "Since a cash crunch last summer, several of them -- including his campaign manager, Rick Davis, who represented companies before Mr. McCain's Senate panel -- have been working without pay, a gift that could be worth tens of thousands of dollars." McCain serves on the Senate Commerce Committee.

"I'm proud of the record of many of my advisers. One small example, Charlie Black. Charlie Black was involved in the first Reagan campaign, and he's been involved in every national presidential campaign since," McCain said. Black is chairman of the lobbying firm BKSH & Associates.
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this is why i think there is more to come.
but shouldn't jouranlistic integrity keep them from actually printing the story until, ya know, they have proof?


the thought by some that this is just the liberal media trying to slam the (likely) republican candidate is silly. heck, it was probably some fuck nut far right wacko who started the rumors in the first place. but this entire thing reeks of a push to sell more papers or beat someone else to the punch or something of that ilk because to print this story with so little in the way of proof is just dumb.
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but shouldn't jouranlistic integrity keep them from actually printing the story until, ya know, they have proof?


the story is not about the affair.

the story is about who McCain is, and how he presents himself, and the gulf between the two.
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the story is not about the affair.

the story is about who McCain is, and how he presents himself, and the gulf between the two.
You keep saying this but without a single fact to show he has compromised his position.

I have posted enough first hand documents about the incident in question, including QUOTES from political opponents that all indicate McCain did NOTHING WRONG.

Where is the beef?
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i know it's not about the affair but they still have nothing more than second hand innuendo to suggest that there might have been inapropriate access by a lobbyist to the anti-lobbyist mccain.

at worst they're saying he had an affair. at best they're saying he's a hypocrite. either way, they're saying it without any proof of either.
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i know it's not about the affair but they still have nothing more than second hand innuendo to suggest that there might have been inapropriate access by a lobbyist to the anti-lobbyist mccain.

at worst they're saying he had an affair. at best they're saying he's a hypocrite. either way, they're saying it without any proof of either.
I do not think he gets it. Every time anyone responds - we get told its not about the affair.
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