A_Wanderer said:
without source and appealing to authority without listing names, who is someone from CERN?
Go to
www.cern.ch to know more.
A_Wanderer said:
The particle that moves backwards through time is purely speculative, it is the tachyon, if you have a particle that exeeds the speed of light then it would be predicted to be travelling backwards through time.
That´s interesting, I didn´t know it was called tachyon.
A_Wanderer said:
I think it is disengeneous to be claiming proof of spiritual elements with science
I´m not claiming proof of spiritual elements, where did you read that out? I am saying science should seek to connect to other disciplines. people in the ivory tower of science may be opposed to that, but the point is that many new scientists are stressing the importance of humanity and spirituality.
Ever heard of Victor Weisskopf? I´ll quote a speech about him:
"Viki was a great physicist and he had a passion for physics, which he so much wanted to pass on to others. But when he addressed a wide audience, it could be hard to dissociate his passion for physics from other passions as he often tried to convey his broad love for human scientific endeavour and human culture, physics being only one part of it. This he has done in many essays and in books written for a general audience. As he once said: "I owe much to the cultural tradition of Vienna, from Mozart and Beethoven to Freud and Boltzmann." He did so much to show that physics is not producing an alienated individual in a world dominated by science and technology and in which everything is reduced to impersonal scientific facts.
Science is great, but science is not everything. He once illustrated that through an analysis of the appreciation that one may have for a Beethoven sonata, describing it first in an interesting but limited way in the realm of present science alone
but to conclude that there is nothing like the emotion that it triggers in ourselves when listening to it .
(...) As he said on several occasions: "Human existence is based on two pillars: compassion and knowledge. Compassion without knowledge is ineffective; knowledge without compassion is inhuman."
Viki told us that it is a privilege to be a physicist but also that it carries important duties: duties to inform on what science is all about; duties to warn against the dangers that could come from the irresponsible and even evil use of scientific knowledge; duties to feel concerned with the involvement of science in the events of the day; and duties to pass on to the new generation the spirit of research which we so much appreciate. As he once said: "We need basic science not only for the solution of practical problems but also to keep alive the spirit of this great human endeavour." (...)
Viki was much concerned about science and society issues. As he said: "The human problems caused by the ever increasing development of a science-based technology are too threatening and they overshadow the significance of fundamental science as a provider of deeper insight into nature." And he added: "This puts the scientist in the midst of social and political life and strife and he has the obligation to be the guardian, the contributor and the advocate of scientific knowledge and insight." Continuing with his own words, I may add: "Science cannot develop unless it is pursued for the sake of pure knowledge and insight. It will not survive unless it is used intensely and wisely for the betterment of humanity and not as an instrument of domination by one group over another."
Viki magnificently conveyed his passion for research as a great human endeavour.
In his essay "The significance of science", he quotes Ecclesiastes : "And I gave my heart to seek and search out by wisdom concerning all things that are done under heaven. This sore task hath God given to the sons of man to be exercised herewith." But, much aware of the dangers that could be brought by an evil use of knowledge, he also summarized his worries quoting again Ecclesiastes: "For in much wisdom is much grief and he that increaseth knowledge increaseth sorrow."
In 1944 Viki became one of the founders of the Federation of Atomic Scientists, whose aim was to warn the public of the dreadful consequences of a nuclear war and to support the peaceful use of atomic energy. He soon also became a member of the Emergency Committee of Scientists initiated by Leo Szilard, which, under the chairmanship of Einstein, had a similar goal.
It was only by the late 1970s and early 1980s that the idea of the absolute impossibility of "winning" a nuclear war was recognized, not only by the public but also by governments. By the 1990s Viki could at long last say: "I am grateful to have lived to see our efforts to make this a more peaceful world seem to bear fruit...Perhaps a time is coming when the nuclear arms race of the past decades will be regarded as a serious case of collective mental disease that was cured just in time." By that time, tests in the atmosphere had been banned, the ABM treaty had been brought in and the East-West thaw was paving the way to mutual disarmament. Viki's own and latter important actions towards that lofty goal had
strongly used his membership in the Pontifical Academy .
He had been elected to it in 1976, the same year that he was elected to the Soviet Academy of Sciences,
something that he considered as keeping a proper balance 
He used the latter position to support Sakharov and the former one was instrumental in his helping to shape the attitude that the Pope soon took, publicly underlining the great threat to mankind that resulted from the on-going nuclear arms race. I still remember listening to the Pope's New Year address in 1980. I had seen much of Viki just before in connection with his Gregory lectures, and when the Pope came to mention the nuclear threat I could not refrain from exclaiming: "But these are Viki's words!" If I may say that now it is because
the Pope himself said that he had come to his stand on that matter by "listening to what his scientists had told him". Viki was of course teased by journalists about his particular role in all that but he would respond: "The Pope is inspired by God and not by a Viennese Jew." His actions were well recognized and he was awarded the Public Welfare Medal of the US National Academy of Sciences in 1991.
(...)
"Art and science", which I took here as an intermediate title, is probably the first of his wide audience essays I read, more than 20 years ago. It is very typical of his style when discussing science in a general context and,
in that instance, opposing art and science in a Bohrian way to show that, if there are great differences, there are also important similarities in the two intellectual approaches and that one should rather stress their complementarity. He starts by writing: "What could be more different than science and art?
Science is considered a rational, objective, cool study of nature; art is often regarded as a subjective, irrational expression of feelings and emotions." But he adds: "One can just as well consider scientific discoveries as the products of imagination, of sparks of sudden insight, whereas art could be viewed as the product of painstaking work, carefully adding one part to the other by rational thinking." He goes on to discuss points of convergence and divergence, with many poetic and scientific quotes on the way, to conclude on complementarity, a complementarity between reason and passion, mystery being another form of reality and adding: "No wonder scientists are attracted by the fugues of Bach."
He makes the point that science and art both respond to our urge for sense, meaning and hope, quoting Goethe who said: "He who has art and science also has a religion, but those who do not have them better have religion." He concludes with the words: "There may come a day when scientific and artistic meanings will combine and help to bring forth that ground swell of meaning and value for which there is so great a need. The growing awareness of this need is in itself an important element that brings people together and creates common values and even elation." Viki always acknowledged how much he learned from Bohr and his complementarity approach, which he liked to apply to walks of life other than quantum mechanics.
full article:
http://www.cerncourier.com/main/article/42/10/24
