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KingPin

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Okay... I know that my presence on this forum has upset some... I certainly never meant to start such a hubbub, but when you express opinions, or defend people, you run the risk of attack... I've had Achtung Bubba argue with me and against me... same goes for Whenhiphopdrovethebigcars. And I've enjoyed my time here... but I'm a little miffed.

In one thread, Z Edge referred to my defence of Like Someone To Blame, and how he referred to my posts. He accused me of being an alter because I had a low post count, had arrived recently and was in agreement with Like Someone To Blame. I calmly showed why this is not the case... such as my registration being much older, my location, my info, and letting everyone know they could check my IP to clarify this. I don't hide behind anything.

Yet, recently over the weekend, in the thread concerning Bush, 9/11, and a few other topics, a gentleman named "Spyplane" quoted me, and through a blue streak of cursing, told me to shut the F*** up, that my thread was crap, that I should spread my ignorance elsewhere, and that I am "by far the most despicable member of this forum". The thread closed before I had a chance to respond.

Only today did I find out that Z Edge and Spyplane are the same.

This post is just to clarify:

1. I am not an alter. When asked of this, I did everything I could to prove that fact.

2. Spyplane, the member who tore me a new one, is an alter of Z Edge, who originally questioned my motives.

3. This kind of stuff is ridiculous. Changing users in order to post attacks is a bit excessive. Come on.

4. I look forward to further posts on the forum.


PS To Sicy, or anybody else who thinks this was inappropriate, I only wanted to clarify things so that everyone knew that I'm not an alter, and that I've got one person acting as three in order to muscle (LoveMuscle??) me out of the forum. A PM wouldn't have really accomplished that. But if you want to remove it, fine.
 
shockingly enough, this is one thing that db9 and I agree on. lol. I don't care for alters. I feel that if I have something to say, I can have the balls (metaphoric of course) to say it under my own name and stand by it.

In any case, Kingpin, you've been around here for some time and have been a legit identity to my knowledge. I can vouch for that.
 
KingPin said:
Yet, recently over the weekend, in the thread concerning Bush, 9/11, and a few other topics, a gentleman named "Spyplane" quoted me, and through a blue streak of cursing, told me to shut the F*** up, that my thread was crap, that I should spread my ignorance elsewhere, and that I am "by far the most despicable member of this forum". The thread closed before I had a chance to respond.

Is this true? Show me the link please. That kind of behaviour is unacceptable.

1. I am not an alter. When asked of this, I did everything I could to prove that fact.

You are not bonoman? I just did an ip check.
 
Nope... check again... I registered in 2000 in Newfoundland, and I'm now posting in Edmonton, if that helps. I post from my work computer or home computer.

I'll send you the post with that "report to moderator" thing. I figured you'd read it because the thread was closed.

oh, and the defense of my being NOT an alter is on page 4 of the "Do you have blacks too" thread. actually it's here
 
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I have read the thread in question and have discussed the situation with Elvis.

The whole thread is a nightmare imo, Spyplane is not the only one out of line, but the fact remains that use of alters to basically just 'talk shit' or say things that you dont want to say under your original username is prohibited and will be cause for removal.

Alters are a priveledge.
 
KingPin
Is an ok fellow.
When he becomes natuarlize US Citizen -he will be ready to become a Republican;)jk.:D
Diamond:cool:
 
First off Kingpin
Everyone knows (I assumed) that I am Spyplane and LOVE MUSCLE.

Obviously, so you were told by somebody as well.

2nd
I posted the other night as whoever I was logged in as.
I get a lot of PM's, for each handle
I logged in each handle to check them then stayed on that handle for a while.

I did not think you were an alter for Like Someone to Blame, that was your assumption. I did question why you chose to answer for someone so much in that other thread.

Why someone chose to make such hateful comments about conservatives then run and hide, while you defended him.

And why he was even allowed to make these comments and accuse all conservatives of Genocide

And I do suspect you to be an alter who is making insidious comments to try and cause the removal of one or two members here, that is namely myself.

I have shared this theory with others as well.

3rd
To the MODS
This would have never happened if you had done your job

Why would you allow Kingpin to make these comments, or Like Someone to Blame?

It goes back to the same old thing as before, you will allow just about any type of behavior of a non-conservative american member.

They can say whatever they want in here. It is everywhere.
They start the same damn threads cleverly disguised day in and day out. And you mods even respond to them waiting for a conservative to get out of line and then close it so we can look bad.

Yet the non-conservatives can post the following:

compare Bush to Hitler
blame Bush for 911
accuse Bush for drug use, awol, murder
all conservatives committ genocide and
starve the elderly
say that our military is a joke
we deserved 911


I could go on and on and on..........

In fact, one particular individual called me personally a coward 5 times in one post. And that thread went on for like 50 more posts until it was closed by a mod for a mere "observation" I made that was not in any way cruel or intended as such, as the mod accused me of at the time.

Yet when I questioned the mod about this, they claimed they never even saw the post where I was called a coward yet they had replied to the thread (if the post has not been deleted by now).

This brings up another interesting point. Remember the HORROR? Banned for complaining about all of the America-bashing. Banned in like 50-60 posts. Yet look at these folks here who call themselves progressive liberals and yet they get away with far, far worse.

Which brings up another point.

How many conservative American mods do we have here?

DO I need to go any further?

Don't you think this is a little biased? A conflict of intrest on the mods part?

Damn right it is!

Folks, if you hadn't neglected your post or if we didn't have a conflict of intrest here this situation wouldn't exist.
 
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ZEdge-
Nice points.:idea:

They needed to be said:idea:

Now chill for a bit..
Our numbers may be small here however we are strong.:idea:
I dont need you becoming a Martyr..;)

Your Friend-
Diamond
 
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Another point that I forgot to make.

I take this very seriously because I am a veteran and I have given service to my country that I love. I am highly offended on a daily basis and only come here to sort of defend the honor that is being shit upon daily. I do take this very personal, as I have a direct line to what is going on in the world. Do any of you? Could you expect to even understand how I feel?

I have stated repeatedly that I will not run and cry to a moderator if someone lashes out at me as they do almost daily. And yet I encourage others to PM me or bring it to me if they have a problem, not run tell like a coward.

I do take this very seriously, and I will be attending many many shows again next tour.
 
z edge said:
To the MODS
This would have never happened if you had done your job
i don't do a lot of posting in FYM, but i do a lot of reading. of course, i'm not a mod and i'm certainly not going to speak on behalf of them, but i don't think it's right to bash the mods. they do their jobs as best as they can. i'm not saying they're perfect or anything because they are only human, but they do a damn good job at running this forum. and now that they are adding on more and more moderators, soon this forum should run totally smoothly, where problems rarely, rarely arise. but now i shall go back to lurk mode here in FYM, especially in this thread.
 
z edge said:
They can say whatever they want in here. It is everywhere.
They start the same damn threads cleverly disguised day in and day out. And you mods even respond to them waiting for a conservative to get out of line and then close it so we can look bad.

I dont give a rats ass if you're a conservative, liberal, republican whatthehellever ok its all greek to me.

What I do see is the way people interact with others.. I honestly did not see the name coward 5 times.. if you would like to point that out to me that would be lovely. What I did see is this

Fucking prove he has used drugs or shut the FUCK up.

Excuse me, but who in the fuck are YOU to accuse every President of the USA of lies and scandals?

How you could possibly post such utter bullshit is beyond me.
You have been posting this kind of crap constantly.
Why?
Your thread is crap.

You are by far the most despicable member of this forum

Rude rude rude insults.

I have also warned him as well to cut with the insults.

There is no need to slam each other here! This forum is a god damn priveledge. Why can you people DISCUSS instead of yell and swear and cut each other down?? You want Free your mind wiped right outta here?? Cuz it can happen and you guys can go post your political crap on a politcal message board.
 
I didnt read the whole thread and i'm not taking anyones side, but...

z edge said:
I have stated repeatedly that I will not run and cry to a moderator if someone lashes out at me as they do almost daily. And yet I encourage others to PM me or bring it to me if they have a problem, not run tell like a coward.

Well, I have to agree with this statement. This is usually the best way to handle it in most cases. I wish more people did this, instead of acting like a spolied brat and going crying to a mod or Elvis, like a couple people have been known to do constantly, over the least little thing.
Unfortunately, i think in the future, i personally will have to simply report it as doing anything else will just get me into trouble. :rolleyes:
No one will ever take my side though. :rolleyes:

There is a bias, but not just against conservatives... *sigh*
:eyebrow:
 
Well said Khanada :up:

Since when is it the mods responsiblity to babysit a bunch of adults who can't have a civilized conversation? When 2 little kids can't get along, the grownups usually come along and tell them to go home...that's supposed to stop when you reach "adulthood." The mods version of sending the bad kids home is to close a thread.

And when they close a thread, its for a reason. I've said it before and I'll say it again...they do this job voluntarily and they put up with major bulls**t to do it.

KhanadaRhodes said:

i don't do a lot of posting in FYM, but i do a lot of reading. of course, i'm not a mod and i'm certainly not going to speak on behalf of them, but i don't think it's right to bash the mods. they do their jobs as best as they can. i'm not saying they're perfect or anything because they are only human, but they do a damn good job at running this forum. and now that they are adding on more and more moderators, soon this forum should run totally smoothly, where problems rarely, rarely arise. but now i shall go back to lurk mode here in FYM, especially in this thread.
 
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Sicy is a decent Mod.
She even tolerates me an avowed drunk Repulican;)

ZEdge is a stand up guy:)

The Mods should b as there title suggests..Moderate not babysit.

DB9:cool:
 
diamond said:

I dont need you becoming a Martyr..;)

martyr...as in dying for the conservative cause? that's bullshit and you know it. you need to stop putting so much stock in having biases against or for people depending on their political affiliation. it's pointless and only ends up with a big fight. so be the big group and stop it first. ok?

as for what happened...reconcile and move on.

your own behavior is not caused by the mods, so move on.
 
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Sicy
I cannot find the thread because my "search" feature sin't working...

The coward bit took place in a thread titled Prior Knowledge of September 11 which I believe was started by Koby

Also, like I stated before I do not tattle- tell on other members I perfer to deal with the person or individual who has the complaint or post I have issue with.

And since my search feature is mucked up, I could go thread to thread and report posts to moderator if you wish for proof of bad behavior from Kingpin and Like Someone to Blame

I would not ever want to be a moderator myself, for the reasons Khandar pointed out.

My point was if there is a conflict of intrest, as I believe there is (and not with Sicy but the others) how can one moderate?

And if you choose to close down FYM, I really wouldn't loose any sleep.

Again look at the daily thread titles and thread topics. I ask you to read any and all threads dealing with President Bush, America, 911, or politics peroid.

I will be reporting posts to you as I come across them starting now.

My reaction was unfortunate but a result of constantly being subjected to this trash from Kingpin and others. I am sure it all went according to his plan though, almost.
 
No see diamond has to chime in with his 'I agree with you brother___ blah' and 'Right on blah blah ___'. And stick his dry humor in where it doesnt belong or when crap has nothing to do with him at all.

He wont stop. For some reason he thinks he's funny.
 
z edge said:
I will be reporting posts to you as I come across them starting now.

I encourage people to do this IF matters cannot be resolved between the parties via PM or if words from the moderators cannot resolve the situation. It's not necessarily 'tattling' ok.. that's what Elvis and I are here for unfortunatly.
 
Sicy and Lilly-
I have friends from all polictical persuassions.:yes:

Ask ppl like Someone To Blame, Dr Who, Melon and ZEdge.:idea:
I do consider this thread a serious matter.

I know when to joke and when not to...

Peace-
DB9
:idea:
 
While we have the moderators' attention, I would like to bring up what I said in an earlier thread, concerning "Like Some to Blame," a/k/a Rob.

(This may be more appropriate for a private message, but that route has already been tried, and I have been waiting for a response for thirteen days.)

Rob started this whole thing by saying that Republicans are more "nasty and hypocritical." I replied with the following:

Am I the ONLY forum member who recalls Democrats accusing Republicans of WANTING to starve kids, kill the elder, and destroy the environment? Anybody remember why? Because the recently elected GOP-led Congress (c. 1995) wanted to decrease spending increases from THREE TIMES the rate of inflation to only TWICE the rate.

...

But WE conservatives are the nasty ones?

RIIIIGHT.

Rob's reply?

Geez, now that you mention it...I do indeed remember Republicans WANTING to starve kids, kill the elderly, and destroy the environment. Well, practice does make perfect...so eventually they might accomplish this. So much for compassionate conservatism...

In another reply, he added, "many examples exist of Republican efforts to destroy the environment, starve kids, and hurt the elderly."

It certainly appears that Rob was legitimately suggesting that Republicans DESIRE to cause the deaths of elderly, the starvation of children, and environmental ruination. Besides the non-evidence of ANWR, he has not backed up his offensive accusation; he has in fact refused to answer my request for proof:

Let me tell ya something. I make arguments and rebuttals here on MY TIME, not yours. Deal with it.

Further, he has not retracted the accusation as gross exaggeration or as unsuccessful sarcasm.

KingPin has often suggested that Rob was being sarcastic, and Rob did little more than say, "Kingpin said it perfectly. I have nothing further to add." (If he was being sarcastic, why? Democrats DID accuse Republicans of those very acts, as I documented in detail.)

He himself never did admit to being sarcastic or sincere, despite my many attempts to get a straight answer to the simple question, "were you being sarcastic?"

But what he DID do was suggest that the Bush Administration either planned or allowed 9/11 for the sake of oil interests - another grossly offensive accusation that makes me believe that he does sincerely believe Republicans WANT to kill the old, starve the young, and destroy the planet.

I reiterate what I said nearly two weeks ago:

In the end, I ask only two things. First, I ask that everyone would consider how offensive Rob's accusation really is and refrain from such an accusation unless there is an avanlanche of evidence to suggest otherwise. Second, I ask the moderators to consider equating such an accusation to the use of the "Nazi" epithet - a word that Elvis has already criticized in detail.

If that is not going to happen, I would appreciate the moderators telling us as quickly as possible, so that we conservative Republicans can reconsider whether the discussions in this forum are worth the cost of subjecting ourselves to this openly hostile environment.

I believe Rob's comments - first that Republicans want to kill the elderly, then suggesting that Bush allowed 9/11 for "big oil" - are as offensive as the "Nazi" epithet itself.

I believe they SHOULD NOT be made in jest.

I believe that, if they are going to be made sincerely, they should be backed up with something resembling evidence - that those making the accusation should be made to "put up or shut up."


I am wondering - I have been wondering - what the moderators believe.

Let's say, for the sake of argument, that some other liberal on this forum genuiney accuses Republicans of WANTING to kill/harm the elderly, starve children, and destroy the environment (or something equally heinous) - and does so with no substantial proof.

How would the moderators respond?

I ask because I am weary of these accusations going unnoticed and unchecked. I don't believe that the conservatives and Republicans in this forum should be subject to constant comparisons to Adolph Hitler and Nazism (or "Nationalist Socialism", as one clever forum member phrased it).

We don't make similarly offensive accusations - I can only imagine the backlash if we did - and I believe z edge is right in suggesting that the only thing that happens is WE are made to look bad when we defend ourselves against these idiotic suggestions.

(The accusations ARE idiotic.)

There are members on this forum getting away with calling us evil. We should not be asked to tolerate this, and I personally will NOT tolerate this.

If this situation does not improve, I will leave.
 
If we banned everyone that was nasty in this forum there would be like 5 people left to post here.

The appropriate parties will receive thier warnings.
 
Hey Bubba, do this by PM please. This looks like you trying to nail somebody to the wall in public.
 
Rono, I DID try the PM route two weeks ago, as I said in the thread above.

Sicy,

I personally am not asking for people to be banned - just that seriously offensive accusations be made carefully, not sarcastically, and not without evidence. In the case of the accusations made by "Like Someone to Blame," I would expect the mods to at least say something like this:

That's a pretty serious accusation. Are you sure you mean that? :eyebrow:

That might even be enough to dissuade forum members from making such egregious claims.

Instead, the moderators have closed threads without explaining who is in the wrong. And - despite several requests, both public AND private - the moderators have remained dead silent about Rob's comments.

I ask again, how would the moderators react to another accusation that conservatives or Republicans want to harm the elderly, destory the environment, or do something else along those lines?
 
I'm happy with the way things are. My main concern is that topics are posted to the correct forum, so I'd be perfectly happy if the mods only took care of that. If someone posts something I find to be offensive, I'll tell them. I also have a finely tuned bullshit filter, so if a thread turns too moronic, I'll stop reading it, and there are certain individuals whose posts I don't even read. And if things get really stupid, I'll leave for a while. I'm mellow. :)
 
If this is a rule, that alters shouldn't be used to voice opinions that people aren't willing to voice as their real handle here, shouldn't that be everywhere in the forum?
There are people elsewhere who have used this trick many times.
Personally, I think it should be addressed in all parts of feedback.
 
z edge said:
3rd
To the MODS
This would have never happened if you had done your job
in the past I did ask people to tone down their posts
+ I closed a few threads when I thought those threads were only started to annoy other forum members

z edge, in this forum you have called me "anti-Bush" and "anti-US"
I already mentioned back then that I didn't like that at all because A) I don't think it's true and B) since most people at this forum are from the US it makes my position as a mod very difficult when people think I am biased (I already know you think I'm biased - you even mentioned in this thread you felt mods are biased)

so my situtaion now is this:
if I post my opinion or try to do my job as a mod (because I feel a line is crossed) in certain threads where you and I don't agree I am made out to completely biased in my actions
if I keep my mouth shut I can't possibly do my job as a mod in threads where you and I both agree that people cross a line
then I truly would be biased


but since it has been established I am "anti-Bush", "anti-US" and that I don't do my job as a mod I don't doubt for a minute that you don't care
 
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