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Old 01-05-2003, 08:45 AM   #1
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"The Lord of the Rings" is racist warmongering propaganda!

So say one writer for The Guardian and another for The New York Times.

http://www.nationalreview.com/goldbe...berg010303.asp

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haven't read the article, but I'm going to agree because I hear way too much about LOTR anyway
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So say one writer for The Guardian and another for The New York Times.

http://www.nationalreview.com/goldbe...berg010303.asp

Sigh.

here's the $ quote from NR...


...One is tempted to ask who is the real racist here? On the one hand we have people like me who see horrific, flesh-eating, dull-witted creatures with jagged feral teeth, venomous mouths, pointed devilish ears, and reptilian skin, and say, "Cool, Orcs!" On the other hand we have people, like Mr. Yatt, who see the same repugnant creatures and righteously exclaim "black people!"


what are the links to the guardian and times?
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Boy, if Trent Lott ever admitted to reading The Lord of the Rings, he would be kicked out of the Senate.

Same arguments were raised for Star Wars I and II. Jar Jar nonsense aside, many different characters were deemed offensive to one group or another.
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...One is tempted to ask who is the real racist here? On the one hand we have people like me who see horrific, flesh-eating, dull-witted creatures with jagged feral teeth, venomous mouths, pointed devilish ears, and reptilian skin, and say, "Cool, Orcs!" On the other hand we have people, like Mr. Yatt, who see the same repugnant creatures and righteously exclaim "black people!"


wow....
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Give me a freaking break.

Hmmm...yes, completely racist, considering the (original) fellowship is made up of: a wizard, 4 hobbits, a dwarf, an elf and two men. 5 different races, working together for the common good and the good of the world.

That money quote completely nails it.
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I would say that any "racist warmongering" is purely incidental. In the realm of ideological criticism, we simply reflect our culture, consciously or subconsciously. From a 2003 perspective, what LOTR says could be interpreted as culturally repugnant, but that is perhaps because that we, as a culture, are different than Tolkien's cultural background. I think that the above reviews simply take it way out of proportion.

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yes and billairds is racist because it's the job of the white ball to drive all the other colors off the table and it ends when the white ball drives the black ball off the table
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The article exposes the intensely ignorant (and illiterate) perspective of the author.

Tolkien's epic was an affirmation of the importance of the Earth, against the 'industrialization' and destruction of the world, the danger of the destruction of pluralism and a basic battle for survival when Sauron's dark forces choose to wipe out all of humanity.

Not 'warmongering'. This article is pure nonsense.

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There was a bit about how Star Wars was racist. http://www.ihatestarwars.com . Not sure whether it's still up since it's years since I last checked that site.

LOTR is annoying.
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haven't read the article, but I'm going to agree because I hear way too much about LOTR anyway


Although the last 3 responses to this thread were good. Especially Basstrap AND his sig.
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this reminds me alot of a very small transparently oppurtuisic and over-reactionary crowd here at www.interference.com.:)



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though i dont think it is, it might be worthy to mention that klu klux klan folk love this movie like none other.

even more than the iron eagle movies!
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this reminds me alot of a very small transparently oppurtuisic and over-reactionary crowd here at www.interference.com.:)



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Well, the main arch-villains are a giant fiery eye and a faceless raceless ring. And a person called the White Wizard.
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Do those KKK people know the book was written by a Catholic?

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The fellowship is made up of hobbits, men, dwarf, wizard, elf...but how come they're all white? I don't think Lord of the Rings sets out to be racist, after all, Saruman is white too. It just doesn't really include any, ummm, beings with human characteristics, that aren't white. Orcs etc, aren't white, but aren't any other colour either...theyre just orcs. I think the only mention of anyone coloured is of the Easterlings, or something, who are working for Sauron...
I think the books and movies are great, but this did use to kinda bother me a bit. Not because I thought Tolkien was racist, but because it just seemed to be a really kinda narrow world view that he had....as if the existence of races with coloured skin just didn't occur to him...
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I don't personally like LOTR but I think it's so annoying how literature is attacked like this. Something is wrong with our world and all of a sudden it's spurred by literature or a movie?
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