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dazzledbylight said:



Uh, no it HASN'T....the rate of abortions has climbed up again.
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So said the Democrats last election cycle citing a report that was later superceeded by one by the Alan Guttmacher Institute which came to a different conclusion. The rate of decrease does seem to have dropped though.
 
80sU2isBest said:

You said "as a female I do still feel that it is shaming to women". What would have been a more accurate statement would have been "as a female looking at the issue form a certain standpoint", because not all women agree with you. For instance, my best female friend thinks it's inappropriate. She has no "hangups" about female body parts. She has no "hangups" about sex.
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I hardly expect or believe that all or any women agree with me, I'm hardly that pompous. I said "as a female" because I am one. That's all I meant by it.

And the fact is that men are not shamed about their bodies and their sexuality the way women are- even still in 2007. That doesn't mean that I want to throw all modesty out the window, because I certainly don't. That's quite a leap in logic for anyone to make :)
 
MrsSpringsteen said:


I hardly expect or believe that all or any women agree with me, I'm hardly that pompous. I said "as a female" because I am one. That's all I meant by it.
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And I just wanted to let you know that not everyone did agree with your view point. The reason I wanted to make that clear is that while you aren't that pompous, and have even been so gracious as to say that you can understand my view point, several people in this thread have implied or outright stated that there's something wrong with people like me who don't agree with them on this issue.

MrsSpringsteen said:
And the fact is that men are not shamed about their bodies and their sexuality the way women are- even still in 2007. That doesn't mean that I want to throw all modesty out the window, because I certainly don't. That's quite a leap in logic for anyone to make :)
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Who made that leap of logic? Not me. I wouldn't think that of you.
 
BonoVoxSupastar said:
Oh you're such victims.:|
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Look, BVS, someone who agrees with you on this issue even called people to task for what they were doing. Are you going to stay that corianderstem was wrong, that people weren't making rash judgments about me based on absolutely no evidence at all?

I'm not saying I'm a victim; I'm just pointing out the obvious truth.
 
80sU2isBest said:


Look, BVS, someone who agrees with you on this issue even called people to task for what they were doing. Are you going to stay that corianderstem was wrong, that people weren't making rash judgments about me based on absolutely no evidence at all?
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Honestly this sounds like grade 3 and a kid yelling "The teacher TOLD you so! Nyah-nyah!"

This thread is something else. :|
 
80sU2isBest said:


Look, BVS, someone who agrees with you on this issue even called people to task for what they were doing. Are you going to stay that corianderstem was wrong, that people weren't making rash judgments about me based on absolutely no evidence at all?

I'm not saying I'm a victim; I'm just pointing out the obvious truth.
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There were some leaps of logic yes, not huge, but leaps none the less.

But "just another thread of intolerance toward a conservative point of view", give me a break!
 
Interesting thread. . .I have to say 80's has a weathered a lot in stating an unpopular opinion and standing by it. He's also been very open about his own "issues" and "hangups" which takes a lot of courage to do, particularly in such an unsympathetic environment. I'd also point out that if not for him, there essentially wouldn't be any discussion on this issue, and I do think that the discussion is valuable. Just that one person raising a dissenting point of view forces us (hopefully) to really examine and articulate our own point of view.

I understand (though I don't agree) 80's belief that putting the word "vagina" up in public places is "inappropriate." However I'd challenge him to consider whether this assumption of "inappropriateness" not be rooted in an underlying belief that there is something somehow "wrong" with the word itself. Perhaps you could articulate why exactly the word is inappropriate? Is it because it is genitalia? Or perhaps it's because you believe that sex is a private (which is not the same as "bad") thing, and there for the terms for sexual organs should not be in a public place. I think I could actually go with an argument like that. Perhaps it's the equivalent of "chewing with your mouth open." Chewing itself, being nothing to be ashamed of, and a natural function of the human body, but letting everyone see you do it, is perhaps inappropriate and lacking in class?

In general, I agree that vagina is not an inappropriate word for a child to see or know, but I'm trying to see things from 80's perspective.

By the way, I do believe that there are some things that are okay for adults but inappropriate for children. I do believe that children shouldn't be exposed to graphic violence or sexuality. It is for this same reason that I wouldn't introduce certain movies or parts of the Bible to my children.
 
anitram said:


Honestly this sounds like grade 3 and a kid yelling "The teacher TOLD you so! Nyah-nyah!"

This thread is something else. :|
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What it sounds like to me is certain people who normally preach tolerance for viewpoints insulting and making judgments about someone who disagrees with them.
 
MadelynIris said:


Oh yeah, I forgot, which thread in FYM didn't completely rail on anything 80's had to say?

Hmmm....

Yeah, hilarious. Deep breath dude.
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And when was the last time you brought something productive to a thread rather than cry victim?

80's is brave enough to try.
 
maycocksean said:
Or perhaps it's because you believe that sex is a private (which is not the same as "bad") thing, and there for the terms for sexual organs should not be in a public place. I think I could actually go with an argument like that. Perhaps it's the equivalent of "chewing with your mouth open." Chewing itself, being nothing to be ashamed of, and a natural function of the human body, but letting everyone see you do it, is perhaps inappropriate and lacking in class?
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You hit the nail on the head. Thank you.
 
BonoVoxSupastar said:


And when was the last time you brought something productive to a thread rather than cry victim?
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Why is that every single time a conservative points out stuff that is clearly going on, you accuse him/her of "crying victim"? If someone points out the truth is that "crying victim"?
 
But, I guess the real question is, should the phrase "Vagina Monologue" have to be explained, as when you place the two together, is defined as

"a dramatic sketch performed by one actor about a canal in a female mammal that leads from the uterus to the external orifice of the genital canal"

Ok, fair enough. I could envision having this conversation with my 11 year old son as we pass the theater......

But really, though, I should explain more about what the play is about -- for real, in the writers own words --

"I could not have imagined that I would one day be talking about vaginas on talk shows in places like Athens, Greece, chanting the word vagina with four thousand women in Baltimore, or having thirty-two public orgasms a night. These things were not in my plans. In this sense, I don't think I had much to do with The Vagina Monologues. It possessed me."

So, yeah. I could probably convey this to my 11 year old son.

So, it's cool.







Not.
 
maycocksean said:
Or perhaps it's because you believe that sex is a private (which is not the same as "bad") thing, and there for the terms for sexual organs should not be in a public place.
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But they aren't just sexual organs, I think this is the biggest problem with 80's argument.
 
80sU2isBest said:


Why is that every single time a conservative points out stuff that is clearly going on, you accuse him/her of "crying victim"? If someone points out the truth is that "crying victim"?
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He pointed out no truth.:|
 
MadelynIris said:
But, I guess the real question is, should the phrase "Vagina Monologue" have to be explained, as when you place the two together, is defined as

"a dramatic sketch performed by one actor about a canal in a female mammal that leads from the uterus to the external orifice of the genital canal"

Ok, fair enough. I could envision having this conversation with my 11 year old son as we pass the theater......

But really, though, I should explain more about what the play is about -- for real, in the writers own words --

"I could not have imagined that I would one day be talking about vaginas on talk shows in places like Athens, Greece, chanting the word vagina with four thousand women in Baltimore, or having thirty-two public orgasms a night. These things were not in my plans. In this sense, I don't think I had much to do with The Vagina Monologues. It possessed me."

So, yeah. I could probably convey this to my 11 year old son.

So, it's cool.







Not.
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Have you had to explain what viagra is yet? I mean if he watches TV or Nascar I'm sure the word has come up...
 
MadelynIris said:

Ok, fair enough. I could envision having this conversation with my 11 year old son as we pass the theater......

But really, though, I should explain more about what the play is about -- for real, in the writers own words --

"I could not have imagined that I would one day be talking about vaginas on talk shows in places like Athens, Greece, chanting the word vagina with four thousand women in Baltimore, or having thirty-two public orgasms a night. These things were not in my plans. In this sense, I don't think I had much to do with The Vagina Monologues. It possessed me."

So, yeah. I could probably convey this to my 11 year old son.

So, it's cool.







Not.
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THEN DON"T GO SEE THE PLAY!!!!

Your explanation to your son: "It's an ad for a play, honey. It's a subject that adults would understand more than you would right now. I think you'd find it boring."

Why is it that the rest of us need to censor things that don't need to be censored because some people are a little touchy? :rolleyes:
 
THEN DON"T GO SEE THE PLAY
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I'd love to go see the play. Why are you yelling at me to not go see the play?

Right, I'm just supporting the argument that it's ok to try and expose your children to things in their own good time. No big deal.

So, yeah, sometimes society throws stuff at you, and sometimes you wish they wouldn't. It's ok that you wish they wouldn't. It's ok that sometimes you feel they've gone too far. All you can do is state that fact and move on.

Thanks 80s.
 
MadelynIris said:


So, yeah, sometimes society throws stuff at you, and sometimes you wish they wouldn't. It's ok that you wish they wouldn't. It's ok that sometimes you feel they've gone too far. All you can do is state that fact and move on.
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This is true. I'll remember this next time someone gets upset about removing religious symbols from a courthouse.:wink:
 
martha said:
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I gotta quit. Too much having it both ways here. First we have to censor so the kiddies are protected from ickiness, then it's not icky, just not modest enough, then we're going to see the play. I can't keep up.
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The beauty of "moral" arguments is that they don't have to be set in stone.:wink:
 
Yeah, but did you play the youtube video! Hoohaa!!!!!

Seriously Martha, what's wrong with having it both ways? ickiness? No, it's just a lot for kids to handle. Prefer to have those discussions when it seems like the right time --

like after the school district has spent all day showing them sex ed movies. Then a parent really has to step up and get er done.


;)
 
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