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Old 10-20-2004, 11:49 PM   #1
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The Grand Canyon was carved by Noah's flood

http://www.yubanet.com/artman/publis...le_14313.shtml

The sheer idiocy of this is incredible. That the Bush Administration actually supports this just goes to show how separated from reality they are.

Using government agencies to spread religious viewpoints.

Separation of church and state? What's that?
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Have I told people lately how much I hate these Young Earth Creationists nutty make believe ideas lately. Can I just have one freaking leader who will act decicively and is a reasonable man when it comes to issues of science. I do not like creation myths and I really do not like seeing ignorance perpetuated by any US political entity.

Creationism is ignorance, if you disagree with me then I would be more than happy to set on the path of learning about geology and having a more informed point of view on the matter.

Floods create massive structureless clumps of sediment that are unsorted, this is not what we see in the real world, the bedding in the Grand Canyon cannot be formed in a flood.




I am reminded of this cartoon

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Ok, I am a Christian and I found this article to be completley retarded!
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I'm Christian as well, but when the government approves the selling of religious fundamentalism instead of facts and truth, I get a little worried.
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As in I dont like the way the article was written or I don't like the way that they dismiss creationism?
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I'm Christian as well, but when the government approves the selling of religious fundamentalism instead of facts and truth, I get a little worried.

I really dislike Fundies....they're like the Pharisees of today.
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Look at it this way if he gets re-elected maybe our children won't have to go to science class because all science will be removed from the country.
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Oh BVS I am sure that it wont go that far, fire can tell the difference between Good Science and Evil Science.

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Before we all get too bunched up here....


This case involves allowing the National Park Service to sell one (among many) book, entitled Grand Canyon: A Different View at a few stores in the Grand Canyon. Purchasing the book is the choice of individual citizens. It is not a matter of government mandated indoctrination.

Yes, the views expressed by the book are out of line with mainstream scientific and theological understanding. I would think that modern understanding of free speech would allow this book to exist and die on its merits. By attempting to censor it, you only draw attention to it.
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Before we all get too bunched up here....


This case involves allowing the National Park Service to sell one (among many) book, entitled Grand Canyon: A Different View at a few stores in the Grand Canyon. Purchasing th ebook is the choice of individual citizens. It is not a matter of government mandated indoctrination.

Yes, the views expressed by the book are out of line with mainstream scientific and theological understanding. I would think that modern understanding of free speech would allow this book to exist and die on its merits. By attempting to censor it, you only draw attention to it.
Thanks for putting things in perspective, NB.
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So there's no apparent problem with government agencies selling religious fundamentalism, so long as it's not a big seller?
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They sell other things. Are you into selective censorship?
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Before we all get too bunched up here....


This case involves allowing the National Park Service to sell one (among many) book, entitled Grand Canyon: A Different View at a few stores in the Grand Canyon. Purchasing the book is the choice of individual citizens. It is not a matter of government mandated indoctrination.

Yes, the views expressed by the book are out of line with mainstream scientific and theological understanding. I would think that modern understanding of free speech would allow this book to exist and die on its merits. By attempting to censor it, you only draw attention to it.
Fine, I don't care how much attention gets drawn to the book, I don't want my government in the business of distributing books like this. It has no merit on a scientific or educational basis.

It's not a free speech issue - no one's saying it shouldn't be published. And I'm all for letting the book exist and die on the merits. But the government giving the book a major assist is NOT consistent with letting it die on the merits.
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Hate speech is protected by the first ammendment, it too will grow or die on it's own merit but I don't my government selling it.
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So there's no apparent problem with government agencies selling religious fundamentalism,
We don't mind "Jihad" as long as it fits our version.

Down with the non-believers, agnostics, seculars and liberals.
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It's not a free speech issue - no one's saying it shouldn't be published. And I'm all for letting the book exist and die on the merits. But the government giving the book a major assist is NOT consistent with letting it die on the merits.
Major assist? It is sitting on a dusty shelf in a couple book shops in Arizona....
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Just another example of people with little to no understanding of science pushing their silly views on everyone.

Lame.
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Fine, I don't care how much attention gets drawn to the book, I don't want my government in the business of distributing books like this.
Be careful here. From what the article says, the bookstore is simply carrying the book, not distributing it.

Unless it's out and out hate speech, I don't think the NPS should be censoring what I have access to. And even then, as a goverment agency, I have my doubts about any kind of censorship. This kind of thinking can be used against what you believe in, too. Always keep that in mind.
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I had no idea Noah's flood was still in progress.
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Down with equality, up with selective censorship!
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