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Old 12-07-2007, 11:05 AM   #21
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I just read Rolling Stone said this movie "Blows."

That's enough for me not to see it.
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I just read Rolling Stone said this movie "Blows."

That's enough for me not to see it.
http://www.rollingstone.com/reviews/...golden_compass

I think I'll save my money for when "Prince Caspian " starts in theatres next May.
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There is nothing wrong with voluntary boycotts. The movie has every right to be made, and people have every right to see it or avoid it.

I generally follow the reviews at rottentomatoes.com. This one isn't doing too well on thier ratings meter (collection of reviews).

At the end of the day - the movie industry is about money. Without knowing the story, this movie seems targeted at kids and families - that is what I can tell by the commercials. However, if the reviews are right, the movie is simply too dark, serious...and boring. Usually, not the best combo for targetting families during the Holiday Season.

Like all of the anti-Iraq-war movies - this one will tank at the box office.
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Old 12-08-2007, 11:18 AM   #24
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http://www.rollingstone.com/reviews/...golden_compass

I think I'll save my money for when "Prince Caspian " starts in theatres next May.
Me, too.
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Old 12-09-2007, 04:05 PM   #25
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This is interesting:

'Compass' box-office win is far from golden

By Thomas K. Arnold, Special for USA TODAY

The Golden Compass pointed south this weekend, opening with an estimated $26.1 million, significantly less than the $30 million to $40 million New Line Cinema had predicted.
The film had been widely criticized by church groups, particularly Catholic organizations, for its supposed anti-religious message, and New Line worldwide distribution and marketing president Rolf Mittweg concedes that might have had an impact.

"How do you measure it? That is hard to say," he says. "Historically, that tends to be ineffective; look at The Da Vinci Code. No one was supposed to see that, either. But since we haven't looked at results on a regional basis, I cannot speak to that at this moment."

He notes that internationally, the film did a lot better, grossing $55 million in 25 territories, led by the United Kingdom, where it took in $18 million. Outside the United States, Mittweg says, movies are "not at all" affected by religious controversies.

Compass, a fantasy with Nicole Kidman in a villainous role, was aimed at families and compared with Disney's The Chronicles of Narnia. But many of the same church groups that loved Narnia slammed Compass as anti-religious. The film is based on a series of children's books by British author Philip Pullman, an outspoken atheist, and is the first in the trilogy His Dark Materials.

In the original book, a Catholic Church-like entity known as The Magisterium is depicted as a bastion of evil. Director Chris Weitz has excised most of the story's religious references, which the U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops acknowledged in an overall positive review, but Catholic lay leaders have slammed the film nonetheless, with Bill Donohue, president of the 350,000-member Catholic League, calling it "atheism for kids." Catholic schools also have come out against the film, with many sending out fliers or e-mail blasts urging parents not to let their children see the film.

Elsewhere on the big screen, Disney's Enchanted held up well, taking in $10.7 million, a drop of just 35%, according to box office trackers Nielsen EDI. The film slipped to No. 2 after two weeks at No. 1. It has accumulated $83.9 million.

The holidays ruled Nos. 3 and 4, with This Christmas ($5 million) and Fred Claus ($4.7 million).

Rounding out the top five: Beowulf, with $4.4 million.

Final figures are due Monday.
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Conference of Catholic Bishops acknowledged in an overall positive review, but Catholic lay leaders have slammed the film nonetheless, with Bill Donohue, president of the 350,000-member Catholic League, calling it "atheism for kids." Catholic schools also have come out against the film, with many sending out fliers or e-mail blasts urging parents not to let their children see the film.
oooooh, horrors! We certainly don't want to indoctrinate the little darlings.
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What's humorous to me is that Pullman has been very critical of Lewis because of Lewis' dogmatism, yet Pullman is Lewis' mirror image in that regard.

I think both series are overly simplistic philosophical discussions by authors who are far more interested in getting their point across than writing an engaging story.
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There was a column in our Church newsletter today "warning" parents not to allow their kids to see this film.
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Old 12-09-2007, 04:31 PM   #29
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There was a column in our Church newsletter today "warning" parents not to allow their kids to see this film.

As they should. Parents should not take their children to see shitty movies.
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Why couldn't they have warned me about the others then?
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re. the low turn out....maybe people are just busy? Pullman is one of my favorite writers (Ruby in the Smoke) and this series is one of my favorite trilogies, but seriously, with all the Christmas busy-ness right now...like I have time to watch a movie. Same for my friends and co-workers who are also Pullman fans. If it were the middle of the summer, I would have gone to the opener. Right now there's five movies I want to see and I doubt I'll catch any of them before Christmas. The two people I do know that saw it both loved it (one philosophy prof and one biology prof, I don't think either are Pullman fans or care about his "ideas" either way).


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What's humorous to me is that Pullman has been very critical of Lewis because of Lewis' dogmatism, yet Pullman is Lewis' mirror image in that regard
How so?
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LOL, good question.

I'm probably never going to see this-I've never read/seen "The Da Vinci Code", either, so no worries of wasting money here .

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oooooh, horrors! We certainly don't want to indoctrinate the little darlings.
I just want to know how those kids will be able to deal when they encounter atheists outside the comfort of their Catholic schools/homes?

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I just want to know how those kids will be able to deal when they encounter atheists outside the comfort of their Catholic schools/homes?

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Interestingly the first person I ever met who said "I'm an atheist/agnostic" (it was three decades ago so I forget exactly which he said) was my biology teacher at a Catholic high school. I always got a kick out of that.

I'm sure I met others before then, but none that would say it (or it just never came up). Hey, I was in a rural area -- there were a lot of bars (it was heavily Catholic, so bars were ok) and churches and not much else. Different was not considered good. Bob was from Dayton though -- oooh! the big city.
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Interestingly the first person I ever met who said "I'm an atheist/agnostic" (it was three decades ago so I forget exactly which he said) was my biology teacher at a Catholic high school. I always got a kick out of that.
Haha! Oh, wow...that's great!

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I'm sure I met others before then, but none that would say it (or it just never came up). Hey, I was in a rural area -- there were a lot of bars (it was heavily Catholic, so bars were ok) and churches and not much else. Different was not considered good. Bob was from Dayton though -- oooh! the big city.
I've lived in areas like that! Let's hear it for small-town life in Wyoming, Nebraska, and Iowa (well, the town in Iowa I was born in was pretty open...the second town in Iowa I lived in...bit less so...).

Yeah, most of the time that never comes up, but should such an event happen, will be interesting to see how such sheltered people will handle something different.

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I don't know. I'm cool with all kinds of fantasy, regardless of real world context or inspiration.

But for this author to be so anti CS Lewis and Tolkien, just rubbed me the wrong way.

At first I was thinking this guy is just trying to differentiate, capitalize on a gimmick... But something about his attitude creeps me out. You rarely hear someone express such disdain for founding fathers of a genre like that.

Whatever.
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At first I was thinking this guy is just trying to differentiate, capitalize on a gimmick... But something about his attitude creeps me out. You rarely hear someone express such disdain for founding fathers of a genre like that.

Yeah, but it's really not his fault the media is obsessing over it. Pullman has been writing for decades, but no one seemed to care until a blockbuster movie was in the works.
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There is a Fantasy author named China Meiville who hates Tolkien and has referred to him as "the wen on the arse of fantasy literature". Have you even heard of Meiville? I've read all but one of his books, and he is developing a following, but, not many have heard of him or care about his thoughts on Tolkien. Now, if they ever make "Perdido Street Station" into a major motion picture, you'll hear all about it.
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I don't know. I'm cool with all kinds of fantasy, regardless of real world context or inspiration.

But for this author to be so anti CS Lewis and Tolkien, just rubbed me the wrong way.

At first I was thinking this guy is just trying to differentiate, capitalize on a gimmick... But something about his attitude creeps me out. You rarely hear someone express such disdain for founding fathers of a genre like that.

Whatever.
I agree with you completely on this. How can you dislike C.S. Lewis?
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Easy...I don't

Mieville is extremely good...almost finished Perdido, then moving onto The Scar...

I think Pullman's and Mieville's issue with Tolkien and Lewis, is the use of archetypes or that they are the origin of so many archetypes and cliches now in the fantasy genre. That said I think most of the archetypes were created long before either of them (ie. The Bible). The fantasy in both is all pretty standard fare.

In a medium that should allow you to do anything at all fantastical, everything is quite conservative.

I love Tolkien but it is more for the stories like his Unfinished Tales and what not. His greatest accomplishment is the world he wholly created, with it's languages, races and customs, he got lost in the detail, while fascinating, LOTR can read a bit like a textbook on the history and customs of Middle Earth.
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Having worked book retail for almost a decade during college and grad school, I can say with confidence that there are plenty of people who dislike the Narnia Chronicles pretty intensely. LOTR tends to get less strongly mixed reviews, though like anything it has its detractors. In general you'd be surprised how many supposedly 'universally beloved children's classics' in fact have a significant minority of readers who really despised them. Neither series grabbed me as a kid, although I disliked Narnia more; I managed to finish The Lion the Witch and the Wardrobe, and didn't hate it or anything, but had no desire to read any more of the series after that. I found the story in general rather thin, and the characters in particular felt more like mere devices in service of an idea than fully realized, memorably compelling personalities. I've never read Pullman, although I remember the first couple books of this series coming out and selling well when I worked retail. My understanding is that his strong dislike for Narnia (not necessarily other Lewis) is more of a philosophical nature, and that he found Tolkien more dissatisfying then dislikeable.
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