The Gay Thread

[elevated_u2_fan]

So Uganda sounds like one of the shittiest palces on earth right about now...

[Irvine511]

Originally Posted by elevated_u2_fan

So Uganda sounds like one of the shittiest palces on earth right about now...

as personal as marriage equality is, things like this are actually far more important -- i'm just curious as to what we can actually do, as individual citizens as well as a country, to stop horror like this.

of course, the American evangelicals who helped shape this bill should be jailed. but after that ...

[Galeongirl]

Apparently the people there are proud that their government didn't 'succumb to the western pressure'... and their president commented that they don't like the way we live but don't complain about it...

Better stay away from there. Not that I was planning to visit anyway.

[jeevey]

There's a Kickstarter campaign for a photograph series designed to create iconic images of same sex love. There are some really beautiful images here.

A video profiling the project: https://d2pq0u4uni88oo.cloudfront.ne...1020-webm.webm

and a page with the images. The 14 Stunning Photographs Of Couples In Love

One example

[Pearl]

Those photos are lovely, but some of them make me doubt their authenticity. The ones showing Indian and Muslim lesbian couples don't seem real because of the rampant homophobia and discrimination against gays in those cultures. Also, some of the photos look like fashion shoots. I wasn't able to look at the video because I'm at work, but the description indicates these are real couples. Maybe I'm wrong?

ETA: OK, I was able to sneak a look at the video. He mentioned models, so I guess the photos aren't all about real life gay and lesbian couples. If so, I think it would be better if they were photos of real couples to really show that homosexual love is real

[jeevey]

I gather that they are real couples in a staged photo shoot, but I'm not sure. I don't think it's intended to be a documentary series.

[LuckyNumber7]

On the topic of Arizona legislation...

for anyone who honestly calls that legislation "religious freedom" as opposed to "sexual orientation discrimination"...

What if I asked for the right to refuse service based upon your religion? Take any of these into consideration and tell me if you think it's what this country is founded on. I'm not religious, and my "religion" is scientific skepticism. Therefore it is against my religion to believe in something without evidence that it exists. So all other religions are innately against my religion.

"I invoke my right to not sell you my services because you sir are a Muslim, and Islam is bad in my belief."

Who am I there? An arrogant asshole. A crusader.

"I'm sorry sir, but you are not allowed to sit there because you are Christian, and seating is for paying customers only. I will not serve you. Please leave."

How about now? Sounds a lot like my fellow Egyptian family members of Coptic faith in Egypt. The same ones who must bear their religion on their public identification cards. The same who have been persecuted for centuries in Egypt.

"No Jews allowed. Leave."

I was tempted to add "Schnell! Schnell!" to this one. Because I sound like a Nazi.




This legislation is discrimination. It falls in line with the crusaders. With persecution of the Copts. With Nazism. It's disgusting that anybody would dare call this legislation "American." You don't even need the "gay rights versus black rights" comparison here.

Don't be fooled. You are free to think what you want about same sex marriage, but I urge anyone who believes this legislation is "freedom" to change their mind. This is not religious freedom. This is persecution.

[deep]

Federal judge overturns Texas ban on same-sex marriage
Los Angeles Times | February 26, 2014 | 11:53 AM

U.S. District Judge Orlando Garcia today ruled that a ban on same-sex marriage in Texas is unconstitutional because it deprives gay couples of due process and equal protection.
The ruling does not allow same-sex couples to immediately marry because the judge stayed the injunction pending any appeal.

it appears the only place it is safe to live as God-fearing Americans as our Founding Fathers intended is >>>>>>> Uganda !

[Irvine511]

Texas! Oklahoma! Utah! Kentucky! when will the unelected liberal activist judges stop!

[Irvine511]

Sugar, flour, eggs and water are now munitions in America’s culture war. Or so you’d think from two Oregon bakeries that recently got national attention for declining to make cakes for same-sex weddings.

The first incident, in February, involved Gresham’s Sweet Cakes by Melissa, whose owner told a lesbian couple that “we don’t do same-sex marriages.” Earlier this month, Pam Regentin, who operates Fleur Cakes out of her home in the Hood River area, also refused to make a cake for a lesbian couple’s wedding.

Both bakeries cited their religious beliefs as the reason they would not make the cakes. Both describe themselves as Christian.

Jesus, of course, never commented on gay people, but did tell his followers to “love your neighbor as yourself.” Instead, the widely cited Bible verse condemning homosexuality comes from Leviticus, a book that also prohibits getting tattooed or eating rabbit.

“I believe I have the liberty to live by my principles,” Regentin told KATU in a May 15 newscast.




By law, that may not be true. Oregon statute makes it illegal for businesses to turn away customers based on race, religion or sexual orientation. A lawyer for the couple turned away by Sweet Cakes says they are exploring their options.

We wondered what other requests these cakemakers would decline to honor. So last week five WW reporters called these two bakeries anonymously to get price quotes for other occasions frowned upon by some Christians. Surprisingly, the people who answered the phone at each bakery were quite willing to provide baked goods for celebrations of divorces, unmarried parents, stem-cell research, non-kosher barbecues and pagan solstice parties.

We later contacted both bakeries to ask about these inconsistencies. Regentin declined to comment beyond asking whether she had been taped (she had not).

Sweet Cakes owners Melissa and Aaron Klein were upset that we “would even try to entrap a business” and contacted conservative talk-show host Lars Larson.

Baby Out of Wedlock

WW Asks - I’m shopping around for a nice baby shower cake for my friend. It’s her second baby with her boyfriend so I’m not looking for anything too big or fancy—probably enough to serve 15 to 20 people.

Sweet Cake says - “We have a sheet cake that will feed 30, or a 10-inch cake that would feed 30 people. The 10-inch cake is $50 and the sheet cake is $52. Or we have an 8-inch cake that would feed 15 for $40.”

Fleur says - Prices vary based on decoration and frosting, but a basic cake is $3 per serving.



Divorce Party

WW Asks - My friend is getting divorced and we’d like to throw her a little party to mark the start of her new life. Do you ever write messages on those—we’d want it to say “congratulations!”—and how much would it be for a cake that could serve about eight people?

Sweet Cake says - “A 10-inch is $29.99. That should probably do it....We can definitely do something like that.”

Fleur says - “The price for a 10-inch cheesecake is $36 and up. So it’ll be between $36 and $45, but you’re going to have to call in advance because my schedule for June and July is very busy.”



Stem-Cell Success

WW Asks - I was wondering if you could do two little cakes. My friend is a researcher at OHSU and she just got a grant for cloning human stem cells, so I thought I’d get her two identical cakes—basically, two little clone cakes. How much would they cost?

Sweet Cake says - “Ha. All right. When are you looking to do it? It’ll be $25.99 each, so about $50 to start.”

Fleur says - Did not pick up phone or return messages. Acknowledged receiving requests by email but refused to comment.



Non-Kosher Barbecue

WW Asks - I’m looking to get a special cake for a barbecue we’re having next week. Our cow just died of old age and we’re planning to grill some steaks along with lobster and pulled-pork sandwiches—what size would we need for 10 people and how much would it be?

Sweet Cake says - “A 6-inch cake serves about eight to 10 people at $25.99. The apple goes really good with pork, and the caramel will complement the lobster. For a barbecue, it’s all really good.”

Fleur says - Did not pick up phone or return messages. Acknowledged receiving requests by email but refused to comment.



Pagan Solstice Party

WW Asks - I was calling to get a quote on a cake for a midsummer solstice party. My coven is celebrating on Friday, June 21. The decoration would be very simple: just a green pentagram. We’d like to pick it up sometime that afternoon, before the bonfire. It’ll be for about 30 people.

Sweet Cake says - “For 30 poeople we have a couple options... We have two kind of cakes you could have. About the diagram you want on the cake, I’m not sure how much extra that would be.”

Fleur says - Did not pick up phone or return messages. Acknowledged receiving requests by email but refused to comment.

Cake Wars: Asking Shops Who Denied Gays Cakes What Cakes They'll Make

it's not about religious freedom. it's about freedom to kick the gays.

[corianderstem]

Jan Brewer says "Oh shit, you mean this might have actual financial consequences for my state???" and vetoes the gross bill.

Arizona Gov. Jan Brewer vetoes SB 1062 - CNN.com

[Irvine511]

Jan Brewer says no to gay Jim Crow. Very cool.

[trojanchick99]

I commend the many corporations who told Arizona they'd pull their business from the state.

[PhilsFan]

Roger Goodell doing something nice with his power. Okay.

[martha]

This is good news. AZ is still fucked up, but now it's less fucked up.

[Irvine511]

Sure is a pretty state though.

[INDY500]

Originally Posted by LuckyNumber7

On the topic of Arizona legislation...

for anyone who honestly calls that legislation "religious freedom" as opposed to "sexual orientation discrimination"...

What if I asked for the right to refuse service based upon your religion? Take any of these into consideration and tell me if you think it's what this country is founded on. I'm not religious, and my "religion" is scientific skepticism. Therefore it is against my religion to believe in something without evidence that it exists. So all other religions are innately against my religion.

"I invoke my right to not sell you my services because you sir are a Muslim, and Islam is bad in my belief."

Who am I there? An arrogant asshole. A crusader.

"I'm sorry sir, but you are not allowed to sit there because you are Christian, and seating is for paying customers only. I will not serve you. Please leave."

How about now? Sounds a lot like my fellow Egyptian family members of Coptic faith in Egypt. The same ones who must bear their religion on their public identification cards. The same who have been persecuted for centuries in Egypt.

"No Jews allowed. Leave."

I was tempted to add "Schnell! Schnell!" to this one. Because I sound like a Nazi.

Wow, you really think highly of your fellow countrymen don't you? A nation of bigots rather than the most tolerant nation on earth.

This legislation is discrimination. It falls in line with the crusaders. With persecution of the Copts. With Nazism.

C'mon, the Arizona bill is kinda soft on the genocide of gays.

It's disgusting that anybody would dare call this legislation "American." You don't even need the "gay rights versus black rights" comparison here.

Do you know how we got to this point? The proponents of SSM did not heed the warning of the Vertigo Tour and "became a monster to kill the monster." That's how we got here.

Don't be fooled. You are free to think what you want about same sex marriage, but I urge anyone who believes this legislation is "freedom" to change their mind. This is not religious freedom. This is persecution.

Reread the First Amendment and tell me what it says about the free exercise of religion.

[INDY500]

Originally Posted by Irvine511

Jan Brewer says no to gay Jim Crow. Very cool.

Republicans always say "no" to Jim Crow. It's Democrats that passed Jim Crow laws.

And you can look that up.

[Irvine511]

Originally Posted by INDY500

Republicans always say "no" to Jim Crow. It's Democrats that passed Jim Crow laws.

And you can look that up.

Southern Democrats. Who became Republicans after -- not surprisingly -- the 1964 Civil Rights Act.

[INDY500]

Originally Posted by Irvine511

Texas! Oklahoma! Utah! Kentucky! when will the unelected liberal activist judges stop!

I love trick questions.
The answer of course is that if they ever stopped they'd no longer be liberal, activist judges.