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Old 04-04-2015, 11:36 AM   #981
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So what if we make a restaurant owned and operated by gay people...

Would it be fair to say "sorry we don't serve people of faith..."?
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Old 04-04-2015, 11:59 AM   #982
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No. Because religious expression is protected by law.

I mentioned at one point a gay club that banned anyone from wearing heels of more than 2" because of "safety concerns." It was really a way to try to defer large groups of girls from going into the club, but they can't say "no women allowed" because that's discrimination on the basis of gender. Which is illegal.
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So what if we make a restaurant owned and operated by gay people...

Would it be fair to say "sorry we don't serve people of faith..."?
But would it be fair to say we don't serve straight people? Cause it's against our faith we just made up?
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Irvine... I was getting at what GG was getting at there. As according to my "gay religion."
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1. What constitutes a religion?
2. How can a faith in a specific religion be materially proven?
3. What does each state-recognized religion actually believe?

Three huge questions that seemingly were not considered before this bill was passed.
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But would it be fair to say we don't serve straight people? Cause it's against our faith we just made up?
Generally under the law there are fairly well-developed tests/thresholds for religious beliefs. Because we are operating under the common law there will be variations from jurisdiction to jurisdiction but generally speaking at a very minimum you have to demonstrate that it is a genuinely held belief. So no, you can't just "make up" a faith.
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1. What constitutes a religion?
Per Scientology, any group that can bully and harass the IRS into stamping the document that declares you a religion, is a religion.
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Per Scientology, any group that can bully and harass the IRS into stamping the document that declares you a religion, is a religion.


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Generally under the law there are fairly well-developed tests/thresholds for religious beliefs. Because we are operating under the common law there will be variations from jurisdiction to jurisdiction but generally speaking at a very minimum you have to demonstrate that it is a genuinely held belief. So no, you can't just "make up" a faith.

That's a load of crap. You don't "want" someone to make up a faith. Yes, you *can* just make up a faith. It happens all the time.
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That's a load of crap. You don't "want" someone to make up a faith. Yes, you *can* just make up a faith. It happens all the time.
When and where did you get your law degree?
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That's a load of crap. You don't "want" someone to make up a faith. Yes, you *can* just make up a faith. It happens all the time.


you are not completely right

I think you are thinking of people like this

Indiana's Church of Cannabis Growing Like a Weed - US News


to be a fully recognized religion involves a lot more than being a start up

people have started religions claiming "donations and sex" were their sacrament to get around prostitution laws, without success.
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Yes, you *can* just make up a faith. It happens all the time.
1) What anitram said.

2) Do these religions get recognized by the government?
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Does scientology get recognized by the government?

I know Australia acknowledges pastafarianism, as a guy was allowed to wear a colander on his head on his driver's license picture as a religious expression.
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I believe after a long legal battle they did.
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There was a story on the Seattle news tonight similar to the homophobic pizzeria story. Some florist in eastern Washington refused to provide flowers for a same-sex wedding, and the state has brought a consumer protection suit against her. Someone started a crowdfunding campaign for her legal fees, and it's approaching $90K. Amazing how many people will donate to hate.
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The best part is that probably 90% of the people donating would be better off paying off their debts than tossing money away like this.
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That's pretty sad.
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