The Gay Thread

[bono_212]

Will they be canceling their shows in the other 19 states with the same law?

[anitram]

Is the law the same in the other 19 states? I was under the impression that in many of them, the law is slightly different (for example, treating LGBTQ as a protected class), and only some may actually be analogous?

[bono_212]

I honestly have no idea, I was trying to find out the other day when I came across that LA times article and I kinda stopped looking, tbh, I'm just picking on Wilco because this feels very much like one of those Musicians On A Cause situations.

[BVS]

http://m.theatlantic.com/politics/ar...n-facebook-ppr

They're one, but they're not the same...


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[Irvine511]

Originally Posted by bono_212

Will they be canceling their shows in the other 19 states with the same law?

this is something i have to address.

oh, wait, BVS already did. the Atlantic article is a good one.

yes, the IN law *is* different, in that it extends these rights to businesses and between individuals, nor are there laws that protect LGBT citizens like there are in, say, Illinois and Connecticut.

[bono_212]

Thank you. I'm surprised the LA times article didn't point that out .

[Irvine511]

also, and this is something i'm seeing coming up on Facebook, this isn't at all like asking a kosher deli to prepare a ham or whatever.

a kosher deli wouldn't have ham on the menu to begin with, not offering a specific product is much different than refusing service to someone. so i can't walk into McDonalds and demand a spanish omelet, but the owner can't refuse to serve me if i order chicken nuggets.

[anitram]

I kind of find that logic to be problematic to be honest. A service provider can just as easily say "my list of provided services does not include gay wedding photography" for example.

[Irvine511]

Originally Posted by anitram

I kind of find that logic to be problematic to be honest. A service provider can just as easily say "my list of provided services does not include gay wedding photography" for example.

really? i don't think so at all.

[Galeongirl]

Originally Posted by anitram

I kind of find that logic to be problematic to be honest. A service provider can just as easily say "my list of provided services does not include gay wedding photography" for example.

But there's no such thing. It's simply wedding photography...

[martha]

This is a good explanation.

Indiana Religious Freedom Restoration Act Allows Private Businesses to Discriminate Against Employees Based on Sexual Orientation — The Atlantic

[BoMac]

This amost reads like The Onion.

http://www.courier-journal.com/story...ased/70684832/

[Galeongirl]

What the heck?

That guy can't be serious.. this has to be an april fool's joke..

[the iron horse]

http://time.com/3768536/indiana-pizza-no-gay-wedding/

This business DID NOT SAY they would not serve gays. They said they WOULD NOT cater pizza for a same-sex marriage celebration. If we are becoming a society that destroys people for not participating in activities that go against their religious convictions, we may soon be living under "mob rule" and tyranny.

[anitram]

A few things:

1. People cater weddings from pizzerias? Must the east coast elitist in me, but really?
2. If this really the best example the media could find of a business refusing service? What I mean is that it really comes across like the media went knocking on doors until they found the dumbest hick willing to go on record. The whole story reads like something from the Onion.

[BVS]

They were just the first to publicly act on it, and yeah it's a bad example. It's a shitty law, but I agree with IH that a dime a dozen service like pizza should be able to be selective in who they CATER to.


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[Irvine511]

Originally Posted by the iron horse

Indiana's 'No Gay Wedding' Pizzeria Has Closed

This business DID NOT SAY they would not serve gays. They said they WOULD NOT cater pizza for a same-sex marriage celebration. If we are becoming a society that destroys people for not participating in activities that go against their religious convictions, we may soon be living under "mob rule" and tyranny.

this is so ironic. remember in 2008 when "mob rule" stripped gay people of their rights in California, of all places?

these people live under the same rules as everyone else in Indiana. which means they can refuse to serve all the gay people they want. there are no legal repercussions to this at all. they can kick me and Memphis out if they want. if they want to go on the news and declare how they won't cater a same-sex wedding, then they ought to expect that there's going to be some backlash to that. sure, i feel a little bit bad for them -- they don't come off as the most sophisticated people. but free speech cuts both ways, and it's not free of consequences. and they have the law on their side in Indiana.

don't worry, they've taken their sob story to the right wing echo chamber where they are playing into the cultural rights' newfound sense of victimhood and persecution complex. and they've already been given over $100,000 by anonymous doners.

[Irvine511]

Originally Posted by BVS

They were just the first to publicly act on it, and yeah it's a bad example. It's a shitty law, but I agree with IH that a dime a dozen service like pizza should be able to be selective in who they CATER to.

and they can be! in Indiana, LGBT people can be fired, denied employment, denied housing, all on the basis of simply being LGBT! in Indiana, you get to hurt gay people if you want to! freedom!

but these people are not free from the consequences of their free speech. i imagine the same thing would happen if they came out and said they would not CATER an interracial marriage because God wants the races to remain separate, and please think of the poor biracial children.

[BEAL]

Originally Posted by the iron horse

http://time.com/3768536/indiana-pizza-no-gay-wedding/

This business DID NOT SAY they would not serve gays. They said they WOULD NOT cater pizza for a same-sex marriage celebration. If we are becoming a society that destroys people for not participating in activities that go against their religious convictions, we may soon be living under "mob rule" and tyranny.

Yet we should live under Christian:biblical law right??


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[BVS]

Originally Posted by Irvine511

and they can be! in Indiana, LGBT people can be fired, denied employment, denied housing, all on the basis of simply being LGBT! in Indiana, you get to hurt gay people if you want to! freedom!



but these people are not free from the consequences of their free speech. i imagine the same thing would happen if they came out and said they would not CATER an interracial marriage because God wants the races to remain separate, and please think of the poor biracial children.

You know I stand on your side with this, right? The reasons above are what make the law a horrible piece of legislated hate, but I feel boycotting based on the catering was the wrong battle.

Their reasoning is wrong, but I feel any company should have the right to deny services that might be considered endorsing someone or something they disagree with. I wouldn't print t-shirts for Ted Cruz, NRA, or anything else I didn't want to look like I was endorsing. They shouldn't be able to deny pizza to anyone who is gay, but I support their right to deny catering.


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