The Gay Thread

[99ledzeppelins]

What really bugs me about all this homophobia going on is that there is no reason to even believe that being gay is wrong. The Bible actually doesn't say a word about it being a sin. Just look here.

[bono_212]

That website is a sin. Holy shit, what year is it?!

[99ledzeppelins]

What do you mean it's a sin? Sorry I might be misinterpreting something here, idk.

[Galeongirl]

Wow that's old skool!

[99ledzeppelins]

Oh, now I get it. God, I'm oblivious.

[deep]

Originally Posted by deep

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[DaveC]

Originally Posted by 99ledzeppelins

What really bugs me about all this homophobia going on is that there is no reason to even believe that being gay is wrong. The Bible actually doesn't say a word about it being a sin. Just look here.

“If a man practices homosexuality, having sex with another man as with a woman, both men have committed a detestable act. They must both be put to death, for they are guilty of a capital offense." - Leviticus 20:13

Regardless of what some aesthetically offensive website says, the Bible makes it quite clear that homosexuality is a sin. Don't know where people get the idea that this verse doesn't mean exactly what it says.

[BVS]

What translation is that? It's pretty piss poor, and it actually goes against your point. It clearly calls it a capital offense, which would make it man's law, not God's.


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[Galeongirl]

Originally Posted by DaveC

“If a man practices homosexuality, having sex with another man as with a woman, both men have committed a detestable act. They must both be put to death, for they are guilty of a capital offense." - Leviticus 20:13

Regardless of what some aesthetically offensive website says, the Bible makes it quite clear that homosexuality is a sin. Don't know where people get the idea that this verse doesn't mean exactly what it says.

it doesn't state homosexuality actually, it says something about lying both with women and men. So one could interpret it as claiming you should not sleep with both at the same time. That sleeping with someone of the same gender while in a heterosexual relationship is still cheating.

It's all down to interpretation. NOWHERE does it state literally that homosexuality is wrong or a sin. Nowhere.

[Hewson]

Originally Posted by Galeongirl

it doesn't state homosexuality actually, it says something about lying both with women and men. So one could interpret it as claiming you should not sleep with both at the same time. That sleeping with someone of the same gender while in a heterosexual relationship is still cheating.
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So basically one can interpret the Bible as saying the only thing to avoid is a menage-a-trois. Bible is no fun.

[bono_212]

Originally Posted by BVS

What translation is that? It's pretty piss poor, and it actually goes against your point. It clearly calls it a capital offense, which would make it man's law, not God's.


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Leviticus is the book of God's law, though, I believe.

But, I'm not sure, nor do I care to continue to hear it quoted, as those are the laws Jesus came to fulfill>circular argument over interpretation.

I'm much more upset about the fact that my brother just called my crying because half of the church walked out today, and he doesn't want to see his family fighting like this (nearly everyone at that church is either one of my aunts, uncles or cousins). I didn't really have an answer for him, either, except to tell him that sometimes you have to keep family separate from things like this if you want to stay family.

But yeah, basically disagreement over this stupid, asinine law is literally driving my family apart, and it's really stressing me out / upsetting to no end.

[martha]

What I can't understand, as a non-Christian, is the focus on one line that addresses non-voluntary behavior, as opposed to the voluntary behavior of lying and cheating that Jesus specifically addresses, several times I think.

[BVS]

Originally Posted by bono_212

Leviticus is the book of God's law, though, I believe.

But, I'm not sure, nor do I care to continue to hear it quoted, as those are the laws Jesus came to fulfill>circular argument over interpretation.

I'm much more upset about the fact that my brother just called my crying because half of the church walked out today, and he doesn't want to see his family fighting like this (nearly everyone at that church is either one of my aunts, uncles or cousins). I didn't really have an answer for him, either, except to tell him that sometimes you have to keep family separate from things like this if you want to stay family.

But yeah, basically disagreement over this stupid, asinine law is literally driving my family apart, and it's really stressing me out / upsetting to no end.

Sorry to hear about your family.

My point was about the interpretation, using the term "capital offense' defines it as the government and not God's law. It was a really horrible translation, using terms like homosexuality and capital offense, terms that didn't exist back then distort and change the meaning. It would be like substituting car for horse or injecting the internet somehow into the Bible.


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[Galeongirl]

Originally Posted by Hewson

So basically one can interpret the Bible as saying the only thing to avoid is a menage-a-trois. Bible is no fun.

Unless there's a threesome with two women. That's fine.

Originally Posted by bono_212

Leviticus is the book of God's law, though, I believe.

But, I'm not sure, nor do I care to continue to hear it quoted, as those are the laws Jesus came to fulfill>circular argument over interpretation.

I'm much more upset about the fact that my brother just called my crying because half of the church walked out today, and he doesn't want to see his family fighting like this (nearly everyone at that church is either one of my aunts, uncles or cousins). I didn't really have an answer for him, either, except to tell him that sometimes you have to keep family separate from things like this if you want to stay family.

But yeah, basically disagreement over this stupid, asinine law is literally driving my family apart, and it's really stressing me out / upsetting to no end.

That sucks. It's so sad how a stupid law can wreck a family like this.

[deep]

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[anitram]

Originally Posted by bono_212

I'm much more upset about the fact that my brother just called my crying because half of the church walked out today, and he doesn't want to see his family fighting like this (nearly everyone at that church is either one of my aunts, uncles or cousins). I didn't really have an answer for him, either, except to tell him that sometimes you have to keep family separate from things like this if you want to stay family.

But yeah, basically disagreement over this stupid, asinine law is literally driving my family apart, and it's really stressing me out / upsetting to no end.

That's a really sad story.

I also just fundamentally don't understand it. Maybe if the people fighting could just step back and attempt to gain some perspective in life they would see how little importance this has overall. Given the sort of unspeakable violence and disparity of equality in our world, I am astounded that this would rise to the level of tearing a family apart.

[deep]

I find the divide a good thing, one side is moving away from bad thinking
the fundamentalists groups that are not divided are more dangerous

[BoMac]

Imagine if we lived in a world where every one of us was treated equally, and we all worried about solving issues that really mattered, how better off we'd all be.

Originally Posted by martha

What I can't understand, as a non-Christian, is the focus on one line that addresses non-voluntary behavior, as opposed to the voluntary behavior of lying and cheating that Jesus specifically addresses, several times I think.

Leviticus also mentions tattoos and shellfish, among others, but people conveniently forget about that.

[Galeongirl]

It truly is a shame how many centuries the human race wastes on hating each other, other religions, other human beings... while if we all worked together our planet wouldn't be going to shits and our people would live on for much longer, rather than us writing our own death sentence.

[Hewson]

Originally Posted by Galeongirl

Unless there's a threesome with two women. That's fine.



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Good to know, I may have to start going to church again.