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Sen. Hilary R. Clinton 16 20.25%
Sen. Barack Obama 51 64.56%
Former Sen. John Edwards 6 7.59%
Gov. Bill Richardson 0 0%
Rep. Dennis Kucinich 6 7.59%
Former Congressman Mike Gravel 0 0%
Other (Indicate Choice via Post) 0 0%
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Old 01-10-2008, 01:17 AM   #41
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Oh, but we are not getting any of the really negative or REALLY sexist or racist stuff yet. We're just starting to see tiny little bits of it.This is just the tip of the iceberg; Rove is pulling his levers very carefully.

The current tide of feel-good-ism/lack of racism in regard to Obama is only happening because everybody knows that no political party in their right mind would have a black man on their ticket. In the end, Obama will NOT be on the bill; he is a "fantasy" candidate, and therefore we can be nice to him. The avalanche of gushing press is purely to produce a Howard Dean/Kerry kind of phenomenon, so that when the Dems strike Obama from the ticket, so many Dems will outraged that rather than reluctantly vote for Hillary to prevent someone like Guliani from taking office, they'll stay home. And I have a feeling that Guliani, the little proto-fascist, is the real Bush-anointed choice, and if he is still having difficulties come summer, some Huge Incident will be engineered that'll make his program of fear-mongering more palatable to voters in both parties. Polls be damned.

But you watch. The closer we get to July, the more it'll be ratcheted up a notch, whoever is the Dem candidate.

And BTW, I am NOT sexist, if you're implying that I'm one of those who are......I for one am not affected by the sourpussy pics of Hill I mentioned. I'm simply implying that there are many who are, I read the responses. on other sites, many of which are laughable. Me, I don't even watch TV, it's all propaganda. I don't care what someone looks like, or what their personality is. It's all to do with their policies, and their motives. I read books....

My problem with Hillary right now is the same I have with Congress and that of just about every politican.They aren't even making a symbolic stand for what is right, but caving in on every corner to Bush's petty little blackmail. And Cheney's threats. They have the courage of molasses. What then will they be like when they get in office? So what if everything they try to do is vetoed? It's the FIGHT that counts. It's called balls, gumption, whatever. It's spitting in the face of Fate. To some of us, the Will to Fight is even more important than the result. It's part of your attitude on life. And politically, she has absolutely nothing to lose. What is this, The Godfather? Did Cheney call her up and say :"Either your brains or your signature will on the contract?" If I knew that, I'd understand. But until I do, I despise everyone for their laughable weakness. They're all sucking on the same Teat of Corrupt Largesse.

And BTW, the Dems are taking a much more dangerous gamble helping America down the road to tyranny and darkness, refusing to try to get these people prosecuted, thinking that the people will be so outraged they'll give carte blanche to whoever the Dem candidate is, simply b/c they're from the Opposing Party and this automatically makes them better than the ReThugs. Bull. Some of us voted last November b/c we DID want even symbolic action, for the very reason that a 2 more yrs was too long to wait to save this country from becoming a Police State, and sending a message that evildoers can get away with it and go scot free. 2 yrs would be all it took. Generations to come will be paying a price for this Congress's fear, even more than Bush's tyranny. No Dem President will be able to save us after '08--the civic rot will have gone in too deep, like gangrene in the Body Politic. We had our chance, and we blew it.

As for leaving pwer in the hands of a few, that always happens every July, when the Parties choose who their candidate is.
This is the most frighteningly jaded, cynical, and hopeless post I've ever read on Interference.
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Old 01-10-2008, 06:26 AM   #42
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namKcur, if it comes across to you as cynical, than I wish more people shared my concern...uh, cynicism, as you call it. Everyone seems to be plodding along, thinking the ground has not shifted beneath their feet, and that we are still playing by the same rules.

WE ARE NOT.

I'll bet most of you have forgotten about Karl Rove's not yet abandoned attempt to divide the Electoral Votes in California, he wants 20% of them to be counted by county....

Forgive me. But I lost my faith for good 4 yrs ago, when Bush stole the election a 2nd time, only one Senator dared to call for an investigation, the media quashed all popular outcry with the pronouncement "Generations from now, history books will record that George W Bush was re-elected" and 2 yrs later, Bobby Kennedy Jr was the ONLY ONE who bothered to go out and do the field research among the poor black voters,that has proved this statement wrong, for all time. I see some of you use the phrase "elected " or "re-elected" all the time.

And when I think of what has happened in the world and in this country due to those misplaced 300,000 votes....

I am going to print out my statement, save it, and next November, when Rudy Guliani is "elected" by a sizeable margin, or whoever the Repub candidate is, but I have a feeling it'll be him), I will come back here and reprint it when you are all moaning and groaning yet again. My post may look poisonous now, but God forbid that in November it proves prophetic.

I am sick and tired of seeing my political predictions come true over the past 7 yrs. I'm not saying I know everything, of course I don't, but my uncle might. Or at least what counts. I used tot hink he ewas crazy but EVERYTHING he has told me over the past 7 yrs has come true,....

I am not jaded. If I were, I would not care so much. A jaded person is someone who is so cynical they don't even bother to pay attention. I try to hope.

And BTW, you can treat me with a bit more respect I used to post in here often. But I am on another site posting more often these days.....lurking in here though a few mins each day.
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And your solution puts a huge amount of power in the hands of a small, dangerous group.
This still applies.

You want John Edwards to be the candidate because you're afraid.

That's not how change happens.
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This still applies.

You want John Edwards to be the candidate because you're afraid.

That's not how change happens.
Who are you talking to?
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I'll bet most of you have forgotten about Karl Rove's not yet abandoned attempt to divide the Electoral Votes in California, he wants 20% of them to be counted by county....

Colorado tried this in 2004 and it failed in the vote.
North Carolina tried this in 2007.
It was the Democrats who tried to do it then. Both times.

I guess Karl Rove just can't control himself.

Seriously though, this power-hungry "win at all costs" mentality runs both ways. They all want the control.
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It's over in CA for this go-round anyway. There were funding issues, so it was abandoned.
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The Obama-Rezko scandal heats up:

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The Obama-Rezko scandal heats up:

Do you really want to play that game? We can go on and on about questionable Hillary associations.
The list would be miles long.

No candidate is pristine... he is just the better of two IMO
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Back in April, following the race as it was taking shape, my nightmare was a Democratic race dominated by Hillary and Obama, because of the raw un-electability of both. Whatever else they were, they are a woman and a black.
That's what I was thinking too. It will be down, IMO to this: do most Americans prefer a woman or a black president ?
Factor in the experience and I think Clinton has a better chance out of the two. (and I think there will come some mudslinging and closet skeletons for Obama if he keeps his popularity up - see McCain in 2000 and Kerry in 2004)
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If I was a Yank, I'd vote either Kucinich or Obama, the thought of a President who just so happens to be the missus of anoter recent preisdent is quite silly. Might as well just be a fucking monarchy, a royal family.

I do like Kucinich, seems like a decent fella with good values. Might go Obama if Kucie looks as if he's got no hope and things are too tight between Clinton and Obama.
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Shortly after 7 p.m., the campaign released a “Statement of Hillary Rodham Clinton,” saying, in part:

“Over this past week, there has been a lot of discussion and back and forth — much of which I know does not reflect what is in our hearts. And at this moment, I believe we must seek common ground.

“Our party and our nation is bigger than this. Our party has been on the front line of every civil rights movement, women's rights movement, workers' rights movement, and other movements for justice in America...

“And in that spirit, let's come together, because I want more than anything else to ensure that our family stays together on the front lines of the struggle to expand rights for all Americans.”
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A leader also sends out surrogates to do their dirty work, plants seeds in peoples minds, then steps back and appears above the fray.


Am I that cynical? yes.
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If I was a Yank, I'd vote either Kucinich or Obama, the thought of a President who just so happens to be the missus of anoter recent preisdent is quite silly.
good think your not a Yank then
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As for Obama, as someone has said, you type in the search engine and it gives you "Osama". Enough said.
lol what?? What do you mean by "enough said"? Osama generates more interest than Obama? I hope so. Osama has been in our radar since 2001, even prior to that. Not to mention that he attacked the country.

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If the Democrats were running a platform of all white men with WASP names, (like Edwards?) they'd be that much harder to attack. This should have been an absolute no-brainer.
I know you probably think you are part of the solution, but you're not. Last names have nothing to do with anything. I think most of the voting population are smarter than that.

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Hillary came to town in May. I took the day off and getting there early, I stayed down among the crowd at the Governor's Mansion, intending to give my letter to an aide of Governor Spitzer. But at the last moment I chickened out--the last thing I needed was to be arrested for a "terrorist" incident. (Anthrax anyone?) You can see what the climate has done to me. I despise myself for it.
You are really blowing things well out of proportion. Unless you were intending on heckling Hillary and then threw the letter at the aide there would be no probable cause to arrest you for terrorism, of all things. Maybe inciting a riot or disturbing the peace. Not terrorism...unless you had Anthrax in it?
You, and many others, are building the Patriot Act up to be some sort of 1939 German ordinance. It's bad, but it's not that bad. It just leaves a big window open for anyone who wants to make this country even more government controlled.

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tell me, are there rules and logic and history behind such Aussie short hand? like, Brissy, Thorpey, and, yes, Aussie?



inquiring Yank minds need to know.
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tell me, are there rules and logic and history behind such Aussie short hand? like, Brissy, Thorpey, and, yes, Aussie?



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I dunno, when I saw the word Kucinich (never heard it pronounced), I immediately though Kucie, as in Quechie. I dunno why, I just did.
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Hilary Clinton.
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tell me, are there rules and logic and history behind such Aussie short hand? like, Brissy, Thorpey, and, yes, Aussie?



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Just shameless laziness and a habit of nicknaming the crap out of everything. I think "Kucie" too, all that said.
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Could be a pattern brewing.....Clinton cleaned up Bush Sr's messes, perhaps another Clinton will soon be in Office cleaning up Lil Bush's messes.
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