The Fracturing of a Party...

[Irvine511]

Originally posted by Strongbow

Has Crist specifically said he would not accept being on the ticket?

Crist is gay.

[U2isthebest]

Originally posted by Irvine511




Crist is gay.

Excuse my ignorance, but who exactly is Crist?

[Infinity]

Originally posted by toscano
Maybe, but the "real conservatives" would rather not vote than vote for McCain (see Rush Limbaugh, James Dobson, etc) .

I guess they'd rather hand over the Presidency (and therefore any nominations for Supreme court) to the Dems rather than vote for McCain. Oh well, just shows again how stupid they are.

Since i'm a real conservative, I can answer this perfectly. If McCain wins, and say Clinton wins for the Democrats, I would have a tougher time choosing who to vote for. I think the neo-cons are going to regret losing Ron Paul supporters to the Democratic nominee.

Oh and Limbaugh and Dobson are NOT real conservatives.

[yolland]

Charlie Crist is the governor of Florida.

[U2isthebest]

Originally posted by yolland
Charlie Crist is the governor of Florida.

Thank you! I knew the name sounded somewhat familiar, but I couldn't place it. I also couldn't put a first name with it.

[Strongbow]

Originally posted by Irvine511




Crist is gay.

Your evidence on that would be?

[yolland]

There's been a lot of ink spilled in the Florida press on that question...Orlando Sentinel, Palm Beach Times, etc.--do a Google search and you'll find plenty. Crist himself denies it, but if you're talking a Republican Vice Presidential candidacy, the paper trail of rumors plus his longterm bachelorhood and pro-civil-unions stance would be a real liability for his running mate's campaign.

[U2isthebest]

Originally posted by yolland
There's been a lot of ink spilled in the Florida press on that question...Orlando Sentinel, Palm Beach Times, etc.--do a Google search and you'll find plenty. Crist himself denies it, but if you're talking a Republican Vice Presidential candidacy, the paper trail of rumors plus his longterm bachelorhood and pro-civil-unions stance would be a real liability for his running mate's campaign.

I don't know much about these rumors themselves other than what you've just posted, but yes, if McCain wants the slightest chance of winning over the conservative evangelical base picking a pro-gay rights, possibly gay, running mate would be political suicide.

[Irvine511]

Originally posted by yolland
There's been a lot of ink spilled in the Florida press on that question...Orlando Sentinel, Palm Beach Times, etc.--do a Google search and you'll find plenty. Crist himself denies it, but if you're talking a Republican Vice Presidential candidacy, the paper trail of rumors plus his longterm bachelorhood and pro-civil-unions stance would be a real liability for his running mate's campaign.

conveniently, he's stood by Florida's medieval adoption laws, as if that's some sort of innoculation.

he's what's known as an "Auntie Tom."

or just another toe-tapping self-hater.

[Strongbow]

Originally posted by yolland
There's been a lot of ink spilled in the Florida press on that question...Orlando Sentinel, Palm Beach Times, etc.--do a Google search and you'll find plenty. Crist himself denies it, but if you're talking a Republican Vice Presidential candidacy, the paper trail of rumors plus his longterm bachelorhood and pro-civil-unions stance would be a real liability for his running mate's campaign.

So if your rumored to be gay, are a longterm bachelor, and are pro-civil-unions, that means your gay?

[U2isthebest]

Originally posted by Strongbow


So if your rumored to be gay, are a longterm bachelor, and are pro-civil-unions, that means your gay?

Where did yolland say that? She was simply pointing out the evidence other people have given who have come to that conclusion.

[Irvine511]

Originally posted by Strongbow


So if your rumored to be gay, are a longterm bachelor, and are pro-civil-unions, that means your gay?

honey, if the papers are writing about it, do you not think that this is going to be a HUGE liability as a running mate?

the Republican party has made hatred of gay people front-and-center in it's social policies. the only reason Bush is in office is because of the gay bashing amendments on the ballot in Ohio and the outstanding work done by the Republican ground operatives in SE Ohio.

McCain is already loathed by the base of his own party. and that's to his credit.

do you really think he's going to risk his conservative "credentials" by putting a gay man on the ticket?

do some research on the topic. he's as credibly gay as any Republican who hasn't outed himself with bad behavior.

and nothing changes the fact that this is a 50 year old bachelor. he's never been married. that screams GAY to your party.

i'm sorry you people have shot yourselves in the foot over this and are on the wrong side of history. sure, it won you the 2004 election, but you've lost the war on this particular issue. and you're going to be no different than the people who became Republicans after the Civil Rights Act passed because they hate black people.

i'm sorry you're such an ardent supporter of a party who's social policies are based on fear, ignorance, hatred, and suspicion, but that seems to be the situation.

[BVS]

Originally posted by Strongbow


So if your rumored to be gay, are a longterm bachelor, and are pro-civil-unions, that means your gay?

Did anyone say this? It doesn't matter at this point if he is or isn't, if you are even rumored gay you are poison in the Republican party...

Maybe I should have called this thread fractured from reality.

[anitram]

They'll find a snappy name for him, like Governor BendOver or something of the sort and run with it.

No way in hell is that guy going to be VP.

Huckabee FTW!!

[Strongbow]

Originally posted by Irvine511




honey, if the papers are writing about it, do you not think that this is going to be a HUGE liability as a running mate?

about as much as of a liability as it was in 2006 when:

Charlie Crist 52.18%

Jim Davis 45.11%

in the 2006 Gubernatorial election in Florida. Only 8 counties in Florida failed to vote for Charlie Crist, 3 of them in the south. If you can win in a state like Florida especially 30 counties across northern Florida which is in the Bible Belt, I think the rumor is not the liability you claim it to be.

the Republican party has made hatred of gay people front-and-center in it's social policies. the only reason Bush is in office is because of the gay bashing amendments on the ballot in Ohio and the outstanding work done by the Republican ground operatives in SE Ohio.

i'm sorry you people have shot yourselves in the foot over this and are on the wrong side of history. sure, it won you the 2004 election, but you've lost the war on this particular issue. and you're going to be no different than the people who became Republicans after the Civil Rights Act passed because they hate black people.

This is what Democrats say to console themselves after their defeat in 2004. Most people don't care and most Republicans actually working to get people to the voting both didn't engage in such activities. Yes, some exit polling may indicate it may have been important to them, but the same exit polling suggested John Kerry was going to win the election.

There is nothing that tells you precisely who each of the 2,859,768 who voted for Bush in Ohio are in terms of their religion, nor anything that tells why each person came out to vote, or whether they would have stayed home if the ammendment was not on the ballot.

do some research on the topic. he's as credibly gay as any Republican who hasn't outed himself with bad behavior.

and nothing changes the fact that this is a 50 year old bachelor. he's never been married. that screams GAY to your party.

It did not scream Gay to most of Florida's section of the Bible Belt. But it does seem to scream gay to people in this forum. Interesting.

[BVS]

Fracture from reality... you have it bad!!!

[martha]

Originally posted by Strongbow
It did not scream Gay to most of Florida's section of the Bible Belt.

Any voting stats by county to back this up?

[anitram]

The Republican field is already very classy:

"Why is Chelsea Clinton so ugly? Because her father is Janet Reno." - John McCain in 1998

Those poor Obama daughters won't know what hit 'em.

[U2isthebest]

Originally posted by anitram
The Republican field is already very classy:

"Why is Chelsea Clinton so ugly? Because her father is Janet Reno." - John McCain in 1998

Those poor Obama daughters won't know what hit 'em.

Wow. What a rude, despicable thing to say.

[toscano]

Originally posted by Infinitum98


Since i'm a real conservative, I can answer this perfectly. If McCain wins, and say Clinton wins for the Democrats, I would have a tougher time choosing who to vote for. I think the neo-cons are going to regret losing Ron Paul supporters to the Democratic nominee.

So you'd have a tough time deciding if you want Hillary Clinton or John McCain choosing your supreme court nominee ? Really ?

Originally posted by Infinitum98

Oh and Limbaugh and Dobson are NOT real conservatives.

That's why I used quotation marks. They are however self-appointed spokesmen for conservatives.