The Fracturing of a Party...

[martha]

Originally posted by MrsSpringsteen
But women don't think, they're just ruled by emotions.

Unless our men tell us what to do.

[martha]

Originally posted by 2861U2


Yes, but McCain will compensate for them by getting some independents and Dems, (overwhelmingly if Hillary gets the nomination).

You wish.

[U2isthebest]

I agree with you BVS, Martha, and Mrs. Springsteen. I am 100% behind Obama and I think that no one is better suited to lead our country right now. That being said, if Hillary gets the nomination I will gladly vote for her because I think she'd do a great job leading the nation in the right direction. I certainly wouldn't decide not to vote. One would have to be an incredibly irresponible and uninformed voter to do that. I would hope that we as Democrats are smarter than to vote for someone because of their ethnicity or gender.

[LemonMelon]

Originally posted by 2861U2

Yes, but McCain will compensate for them by getting some independents and Dems, (overwhelmingly if Hillary gets the nomination).

Not if he starts pandering to the right.

Which...uhh...he's been doing for ages now.

[martha]

Originally posted by U2isthebest
I certainly wouldn't decide not to vote. One would have to be an incredibly irresponible and uninformed voter to do that.

Or a pissed-off right-wing whacko.

[MrsSpringsteen]

Chris Matthews? Well that's not exactly a great source for thoughts about women. Read what I posted in the hot stove thread about what he said about having a woman as commander in chief.

[anitram]

Originally posted by 2861U2

Think about if Obama gets the nomination. A lot of women who really wanted the woman to win may be angry, and while they may like Obama alright, they'll stay home because "their" candidate didn't win.

Oh please.

I'm a woman and I really want a woman to win. But I like Obama and that is the difference. The Democrats LIKE both candidates. The polls show that more than 70% of Democrats would be happy EITHER way.

And do you honestly believe that after 8 horrific years under Bush, anyone but the staunchest Republican is eager to repeat that clusterfuck?

[U2isthebest]

Originally posted by martha


Or a pissed-off right-wing whacko.

Oh that's true. Was it Glenn Beck that said *le gasp* he'd vote for the Democrat if McCain gets the nomination? Well you know what they say, "Once you go left...."

[BVS]

Originally posted by 2861U2


I think it was Chris Matthews.

Yes, but McCain will compensate for them by getting some independents and Dems, (overwhelmingly if Hillary gets the nomination).

McCain has been doing well with independents, but so has Obama. And I really don't think McCain can grab that many Dems...

And Chris Matthews has a record for sticking his foot in his mouth...

[anitram]

Originally posted by 2861U2

Yes, but McCain will compensate for them by getting some independents and Dems

Especially if he nominates Huckabee as VP. Imagine the overwhelming excitement for moderate independents and dems - to vote for a creationist who wants to amend the Constitution to streamline it with the Bible. There's a fantastic selling point!!

[2861U2]

Originally posted by anitram


Oh please.

The polls show that more than 70% of Democrats would be happy EITHER way.

Hey, I didn't say I necessarily fully believed in that theory. It was just interesting.

I heard that stat last night, too. Is 70% really that good? Slightly more than 2/3? It doesn't seem that great to me.

[LemonMelon]

Originally posted by anitram

The polls show that more than 70% of Democrats would be happy EITHER way.

And do you honestly believe that after 8 horrific years under Bush, anyone but the staunchest Republican is eager to repeat that clusterfuck?

That sums up the recent fall of the GOP quite nicely. There are too many candidates, the voters are divided, and besides, people are scared of the word "conservative" now thanks to Bush's incompetence.

This wasn't all that difficult to predict.

[phillyfan26]

Originally posted by 2861U2


Hey, I didn't say I necessarily fully believed in that theory. It was just interesting.

I heard that stat last night, too. Is 70% really that good? Slightly more than 2/3? It doesn't seem that great to me.

The GOP numbers are probably much worse.

[BVS]

Originally posted by LemonMelon


Not if he starts pandering to the right.

Which...uhh...he's been doing for ages now.

He has been pandering, but is it working? He's basically sold himself out, a reason why I think he isn't going to be as strong with independents as people originally thought.

[U2isthebest]

Originally posted by anitram


Especially if he nominates Huckabee as VP. Imagine the overwhelming excitement for moderate independents and dems - to vote for a creationist who wants to amend the Constitution to streamline it with the Bible. There's a fantastic selling point!!

Who the heck doesn't want a theocracy? Those usually work out so well....m i rite guyz?!!!111??11?

[kellyahern]

What's interesting to me is that I think for the first time the Democratic party has two really strong candidates. That is why the race is so close and the debate about who to choose can get so heated. It's hard to choose.

Although I prefer Obama and think he would have an edge in the general election, I would still be satisfied if Clinton was the nominee. Still, I don't think his edge is too big because as other people have said, the people who really dislike Hillary seem to dislike McCain even more, which is weird, but then Rush and Glen Beck never did make much sense to me. The far right who are attacking McCain would have to do an enormous amount of backtracking if they're going to support him next fall.

I don't think Democrats would stay home in the general election if their preferred candidate does not get the nomination. I wonder if the far right would if McCain gets the nomination.

[LemonMelon]

Originally posted by BonoVoxSupastar


He has been pandering, but is it working? He's basically sold himself out, a reason why I think he isn't going to be as strong with independents as people originally thought.

Right. He'll struggle in the open election, when every and all parties are welcome. For now, he's safe because the other candidates are canceling each other out.

Let it be known that I do not support McCain, and am disappointed with Huckabee's recent fall from grace. I really would vote Obama over McCain at this point.

[U2isthebest]

Originally posted by LemonMelon


That sums up the recent fall of the GOP quite nicely. There are too many candidates, the voters are divided, and besides, people are scared of the word "conservative" now thanks to Bush's incompetence.

This wasn't all that difficult to predict.

Excellent points. Even some of the more moderate Republicans seem to be distancing themselves from the Conservative system. Only the ultra-right evangelicals are still shouting their conservatism from the rooftops and most of them only care about abortion and gay marriage, which are clearly the biggest issues our country faces.

[the iron horse]

The Rebublican Party fractured, in my view, a decade ago or so ago.

That's when I became a Libertarian.

The current President Bush has hammered the death nail on the GOP.

I talked to several of my friends today, who have voted Rebublican the past few years, but they are really upset at the direction of the party.

He ignored and trampled conservatives values concerning less government, personal freedoms, taxes, and on and on.

What a waste

[BVS]

Originally posted by LemonMelon

and besides, people are scared of the word "conservative" now thanks to Bush's incompetence.

I remember when Bush made the word 'compassionate' scary for Republicans... They were scared shitless of that word, says a lot.