The F$$d P$lice are C$ming

[BVS]

Originally Posted by Izzy.nyc

So a district wants to decide for themselves the source of their school food, and manages to save money doing so, and that's a disregard for public education? Why does money allotted for educational programs even have to be tied into a lunch program?


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You could also feed them cardboard and paper mâché and save money. You're missing the point left and right.


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[Izzy.nyc]

I don't think I was. I was referring In specific to the article referring to the "ripping" of the federal program. The district was streamlining their own cafeteria program and ended up saving money. I didn't see anywhere that this specific district planned on serving non healthy food.

As an aside I agree with the creation of competitively priced healthy food and that part of our focus should be on a healthy diet as well as appropriate amounts of exercise. As data has supported it's role in the primary prevention of disease.

If I came off as political I apologize, not the place for that kind of talk for me.

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[BVS]

Originally Posted by Izzy.nyc

I don't think I was. I was referring In specific to the article referring to the "ripping" of the federal program. The district was streamlining their own cafeteria program and ended up saving money. I didn't see anywhere that they planned on serving non healthy food. That is all.


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Well you are, because you keep referencing it in the wrong context; first to a joke then to another point entirely.

Read the "article" again, it oozes with bullshit.

It claims the school will net more, not save. It's speculation. And they are probably right, you can profit more on junk food right now.

But none of this is the point.

If the FDA didn't exist do you believe corporations would monitor themselves in order to reach a minimum standard?

Reagan had the physical fitness initiative, it cost schools(and students), do you think iron horse was against that? Of course not, he was Reagan. Were you?


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[BVS]

Originally Posted by Izzy.nyc

I don't think I was. I was referring In specific to the article referring to the "ripping" of the federal program. The district was streamlining their own cafeteria program and ended up saving money. I didn't see anywhere that this specific district planned on serving non healthy food.

As an aside I agree with the creation of competitively priced healthy food and that part of our focus should be on a healthy diet as well as appropriate amounts of exercise. As data has supported it's role in the primary prevention of disease.

If I came off as political I apologize, not the place for that kind of talk for me.

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Now with your new edit, I apologize.

I agree with what you are saying, but that is not what these articles are about. Iron is posting highly biased commentaries with a lot of bullshit and lies.

I'd stay away from trying to defend them and read about all sides.


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[Izzy.nyc]

Agreed. It would be nice to debate and discuss. But moreso from the perspective of someone who has his or her own beliefs, and can share the information that led him or her to that conclusion, and for those involved in the discussion to read and consider it. Dare to dream




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[Jacobite]

Originally Posted by BVS

If the FDA didn't exist do you believe corporations would monitor themselves in order to reach a minimum standard?

I think people are jumping in on Iron Horse in a way that doesn't sit well, but I'm inclined to agree that there's a certain inconsistency as regards the libertarian critique of government power - whereby the trust liberatarians don't put in government (for good reasons, often) is inversely related to a kind of, frankly, rather touching, trust and confidence in large scale corporations to do 'the right thing'.

In my lifetime, from the Austrian wine scandal of the 1980s through to the BSE scandal in the 1990s, through to, more recently, the horsemeat scandal in Europe, it's often privateer corporations and insufficient enforcement of such laws that do exist, that are often to blame, IMO.

[BVS]

Originally Posted by Jacobite

I think people are jumping in on Iron Horse in a way that doesn't sit well, but I'm inclined to agree that there's a certain inconsistency as regards the libertarian critique of government power - whereby the trust liberatarians don't put in government (for good reasons, often) is inversely related to a kind of, frankly, rather touching, trust and confidence in large scale corporations to do 'the right thing'.

In my lifetime, from the Austrian wine scandal of the 1980s through to the BSE scandal in the 1990s, through to, more recently, the horsemeat scandal in Europe, it's often privateer corporations and insufficient enforcement of such laws that do exist, that are often to blame, IMO.

No one is "jumping". This poster has a loooooong history of posting links that are filled with lies, saying he'll come back and respond when he doesn't, and being condescending.

We've given this poster years of patience.


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[Jacobite]

Originally Posted by BVS

We've given this poster years of patience.

"We"?

[Diemen]

Let's keep comments focused on the issue and not on perceived character flaws of other forum members.

[IWasBored]

Originally Posted by anitram

That's if you believe that people are being served chicken stock and soup and potatoes with ZERO salt.

Much more likely it's "reduced sodium" as ZERO salt is nearly inedible. iron horse isn't known for accuracy in reporting.

if someone can even point me to some chicken broth more than 33% reduced sodium, i'd appreciate it. just because their chicken soup doesn't have the week's worth of sodium content like the top ramen they're used to eating, doesn't mean it has no salt at all.

[Izzy.nyc]

Make thy own chick stock. I'd post a link but it won't go through. Typical oppression.


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[IWasBored]

Originally Posted by anitram

I also like bland food, I always thought it was strange until a medical researcher told me that typically people who like bland food have way more taste buds on their tongues so they just feel like everything is already flavoured.

You can also season your food healthily with fresh herbs, etc for flavour. The spoiled kids complaining want the sort of seasoning that has salt, MSG, etc.

i just figured it had something to do with the way you were raised. there's a lot of healthier foods i like as an adult that i suspect i wouldn't enjoy as much, had i not grown up eating those foods. according to IH, my mother must have been the evil prototype for the first lady, since she was so horrible as to cook me red lentil loaf in place of meatloaf. what a cruel parent she was, making me eat spaghetti with "no salt added" tomato sauce. absolutely vile, indeed. I've never added extra salt to my food in my life, i was too brainwashed to know better!



it appears pretty clear to me that iron horse believes two inaccuraciess:
1. all fat = the same kind of fat = children need lots of it to survive! MOAR BACON NAO!!!!!!
2. sodium = salty-tasting food, not salty-tasting = no sodium at all

it's so fundamentally oversimplified--it's like trying to discuss subatomic particles with someone who thinks the bohr model illustrates the definitive structure of all molecules. and that's before he starts introducing all the possible other enemies (high fructose corn syrup replacing dodgeballs in vending machines, or something).

I suggest that since you're a fan of the anecdotal (i.e. taking the words of some kids at your school as 100% opinion of all children everywhere, who clearly know best), google yourself one of those pictures of McDonald's meal sizes over the years, and tell me that doesn't suggest (portion sizes, I mean) more of a contributing factor to obesity now vs years ago than the lack of the 20 minute recess I had 20ish years ago.

[IWasBored]

Originally Posted by Izzy.nyc

Make thy own chick stock. I'd post a link but it won't go through. Typical oppression.


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well that just sounds like work now, doesn't it?

[Izzy.nyc]

What....it's chicken and.....stock...?


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[the iron horse]

Originally Posted by Irvine511

i agree with you on all of this.

but i don't think healthier school lunches is a bad thing. it's a good thing. it's also a necessary thing given everything you listed above. if you aren't burning calories, you need to eat less of them.

and i'm sure the kids are getting plenty of sugar and fat from the take out their parents buy for them because they're too busy working long hours to make ends meet and have little time to prepare meals.

First...concerning Galeongirl's question on what students are allowed to drink.
Whole milk and tea were dropped several years ago. Today the choices are:
fat free milk, juice, a sports like energy drink and water

Irvine, thanks for agreeing on the lack of physical activity. This is my major
concern about this whole smoke and mirrors game. It's ignored and even prevented by the school.

I love the way PBS, after a 30 minute children's program, will have a dude dressed like a cat and lead the young viewers in 45 seconds of exercise.

I'm not against schools serving healthy lunches. I'm just against this extremism.

[Irvine511]

I think "extremism" might be a bit harsh.

I also believe in Finland, elementary students get 15 minutes of exercise after every 45 minutes of instruction. That seems like a good model to follow.


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[Jacobite]

Originally Posted by Jacobite

"We"?

Just to point out, that just as a result of this question, I've received an unsolicited harrasssing PM from BVS.

[Jacobite]

Originally Posted by Irvine511

I think "extremism" might be a bit harsh.

I also believe in Finland, elementary students get 15 minutes of exercise after every 45 minutes of instruction. That seems like a good model to follow.

I'm not entirely convinced that a society with one of the highest suicide rates in the world is necessarily a good model to follow.

[Irvine511]

Originally Posted by Jacobite

I'm not entirely convinced that a society with one of the highest suicide rates in the world is necessarily a good model to follow.

But they supposedly have one of the best school systems in the world.

I don't think the suicide rate of any given country is a good metric by which to judge its success or failure.


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[IWasBored]

Also, I don't even think that's true...google says a different country on each link I clicked.

Pick any country, it's probably #1 in some crappy thing. Guess we shouldn't model anything off anyone.