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Old 06-05-2012, 01:54 PM   #861
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ok,

except the medical marijuana thing is total and complete bullshit
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Old 06-05-2012, 08:11 PM   #863
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Thanks for another dispatch from inside the bubble.
George Will on This Week surrounded by Democratic operatives like George Stephanopoulos (Clinton), Donna Brazile (Gore) and Stephanie Cutter (Obama) is "inside the bubble"?
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Old 06-05-2012, 08:16 PM   #864
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Riiiight, because only liberals do that.


That's not modern liberalism - that's politics. Or would you like to try and argue that conservatives don't try to push their views on others?
Conservatives are not libertarians but it's no coincidence that the banning of table salt, trans fats, Big Gulps, school bake sales and Happy Meals is being initiated in Blue America (New York City, Massachusetts and San Francisco).
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and family friendly Disney




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Disney's new diet for kids: No more junk food ads

The Walt Disney Co. has become the first major media company to ban junk-food advertising on programming that targets children.

Building on a healthy-foods initiative in its theme parks, Disney imposed new standards for food and beverages advertised on Disney XD and during the Saturday morning programs on Disney-owned ABC television stations. Disney Channel and Disney Junior, which are not ad-supported but receive brand sponsorships, would also be covered under the nutrition guidelines, officials said.

Kanter Media, a research firm specializing in advertising, estimated the total amount of ad spending for this kind of advertising on Disney-owned channels and Saturday morning children's programming on ABC totaled $7.2 million in 2011.

First Lady Michelle Obama, who has made fighting the childhood obesity epidemic and promoting healthy eating a hallmark of her time in the White House, praised Disney's initiative at a Tuesday morning news conference at the Newseum in Washington.

"This new initiative is truly a game-changer for the health of our children," Obama said. "So, for years, people told us that no matter what we did to get our kids to eat well and exercise, we would never solve our childhood obesity crisis until companies changed the way that they sell food to our children. We all know the conventional wisdom about that. ... Today, Disney has turned that conventional wisdom on its head."

Six years ago, Disney instituted healthier food options at its theme parks in Anaheim and Orlando, Fla., automatically including carrots and low-fat milk in children's meals unless parents requested otherwise. Its consumer products division changed its licensed food program so that 85% of its offerings comply with the company's nutrition guidelines. It even chose to stop licensing its characters for McDonald's "Happy Meals," citing the links between fast food and childhood obesity.

Food and beverage advertisers who seek to promote their products on Disney Channel or Disney XD will be required by 2015 to meet guidelines regarding serving size, calories, fat and sugar content. The guidelines are aligned with federal standards promoting fruit and vegetable consumption and calling for limiting calories and reducing saturated fat, sodium and sugar.


"We've taken steps across our company to support better choices for families," Disney Chairman and Chief Executive Robert A. Iger said in a statement. "And now, we're taking the next important step forward by setting new food advertising standards for kids."

Obama said kids are exposed to food and beverage marketing that adds up to an estimated $1.6 billion a year, including many ads for foods that are high in calories and sugar but low in nutrition.

"Our kids are constantly bombarded with sophisticated messages designed to sell them foods that simply aren't good for them," Obama said. "And let me tell you, we know it works, right?"

Many parents make the effort to prepare nutritious meals and healthy snacks, Obama said, but when kids turn on their favorite shows, those efforts are undermined during the commercial break.

"That's why I am so thrilled about today's announcements," she said. "I am thrilled that Disney is stepping forward in such a big way."

Obama has used other children's television networks to get out her healthy-living message. Last year, she joined in Nickelodeon’s Worldwide Day of Play, an effort to get kids involved in healthy activities and away from the TV for at least three hours a day..
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Conservatives are not libertarians but it's no coincidence that the banning of table salt, trans fats, Big Gulps, school bake sales and Happy Meals is being initiated in Blue America (New York City, Massachusetts and San Francisco).
Well is it a coincidence that "Red America" is targeting minorities, allowing killers who shot their victim in the back set free because they claimed "stand your ground", or drafting up sodomy laws?

Is this coincidence or just bettering Amerika?
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George Will on This Week surrounded by Democratic operatives like George Stephanopoulos (Clinton), Donna Brazile (Gore) and Stephanie Cutter (Obama) is "inside the bubble"?


Yes. Did you read the quote you posted?
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Disney too?

Has anyone considered that this is the free market, i.e. glorious capitalism, at its finest? That maybe fatty foods full of sugar are being tossed by the wayside because the public is becoming more and more familiar with proper nutritional requirements and is starting to demand lower calorie foods?

Years ago when I started working at the firm, at our lunch seminars you'd see cans of pop, juice and the water that was always available (not bottled). Half diet pop, half regular. They all went. Fast forward to this year - the first half of the attendees took all the Diet Coke, the remainder, save for one or two people, opted for filtered tap water rather than the sugared stuff. Today? You probably have a 80/20 split in favour of the diet stuff on the tables. Food police or free market choices at work?
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Yet it's not the public deciding this; it's the government. I haven't seen a drop in fast food sales lately.

edit: referring to the bans and extra taxes on fatty/bad foods; not to disney.
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Disney too?

Has anyone considered that this is the free market, i.e. glorious capitalism, at its finest? That maybe fatty foods full of sugar are being tossed by the wayside because the public is becoming more and more familiar with proper nutritional requirements and is starting to demand lower calorie foods?

Food police or free market choices at work?
When Wendy's and others start to offer salads, wraps and diet sodas... that's a for-profit corporation responding to market demands.

When a government official bans sodas of a certain size, Happy Meals or Ding Dongs & Twinkies in the school lunch room... that's the food police.
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When Wendy's and others start to offer salads, wraps and diet sodas... that's a for-profit corporation responding to market demands.

When a government official bans sodas of a certain size, Happy Meals or Ding Dongs & Twinkies in the school lunch room... that's the food police.
But both are doing it to look out for themselves. Wendy's does it to increase their profits. Governments do it to try and decrease the burden that obesity will have on the tax dollars for decades to come. You're a health provider so you should know the burden that obesity is putting on the industry as a whole. Private insurance companies are scrambling to find ways to charge the obese more or deny them insurance, that's been happening now for about a decade, because they realized that it was too much of a loss for them.
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When a government official bans sodas of a certain size, Happy Meals or Ding Dongs & Twinkies in the school lunch room... that's the food police.
Are ding dongs and twinkies just banned from being sold in the lunch room or can kids not even bring in their own?
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Health panel talks about wider food ban - New York News | New York Breaking News | NYC Headlines

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At the meeting, some of the members of board said they should be considering other limits on high-calorie foods.

One member, Bruce Vladeck, thinks limiting the sizes for movie theater popcorn should be considered.

"The popcorn isn't a whole lot better than the soda," Vladeck said.

Another board member thinks milk drinks should fall under the size limits.

"There are certainly milkshakes and milk-coffee beverages that have monstrous amounts of calories," said board member Dr. Joel Forman.
And certain New York City Board of Health members demonstrate monstrous amounts of stupidity and elitism.
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I think everyone should carry around an eye dropper and drink out of that
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Old 06-14-2012, 04:15 PM   #875
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And certain New York City Board of Health members demonstrate monstrous amounts of stupidity and elitism.
As a side note, I really wish we, as a society, would take a closer look at dairy, the dairy lobby, and the absurdity of having it mandated on the food pyramid.
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The breastfeeding police are coming too


New York Post Updated: Sun., Jul. 29, 2012, 11:38 AM
Mayor Bloomberg pushing NYC hospitals to hide baby formula so more new moms will breast-feed

By MARY KAY LINGE

Last Updated: 11:38 AM, July 29, 2012

The nanny state is going after moms.

Mayor Bloomberg is pushing hospitals to hide their baby formula behind locked doors so more new mothers will breast-feed.

Starting Sept. 3, the city will keep tabs on the number of bottles that participating hospitals stock and use — the most restrictive pro-breast-milk program in the nation.

Under the city Health Department’s voluntary Latch On NYC initiative, 27 of the city’s 40 hospitals have also agreed to give up swag bags sporting formula-company logos, toss out formula-branded tchotchkes like lanyards and mugs, and document a medical reason for every bottle that a newborn receives.

While breast-feeding activists applaud the move, bottle-feeding moms are bristling at the latest lactation lecture.

“If they put pressure on me, I would get annoyed,” said Lynn Sidnam, a Staten Island mother of two formula-fed girls, ages 4 months and 9 years. “It’s for me to choose.”

Under Latch On NYC, new mothers who want formula won’t be denied it, but hospitals will keep infant formula in out-of-the-way secure storerooms or in locked boxes like those used to dispense and track medications.

With each bottle a mother requests and receives, she’ll also get a talking-to. Staffers will explain why she should offer the breast instead.

“It’s the patient’s choice,” said Allison Walsh, of Beth Israel Medical Center. “But it’s our job to educate them on the best option.”

Lisa Paladino, of Staten Island University Hospital, said: “The key to getting more moms to breast-feed is making the formula less accessible. This way, the RN has to sign out the formula like any other medication. The nurse’s aide can’t just go grab another bottle.”

Some of the hospitals already operate under the formula lockdown.

“New York City is definitely ahead of the curve,” said Eileen DiFrisco, of NYU Langone Medical Center, where the breast-feeding rate has surged from 39 to 68 percent under the program.

Breast-feeding in the first weeks gives a baby a critical healthy start, many medical experts say. It helps the digestive system develop and protects the baby with the mother’s immunities. Nursing also helps the mother recover from childbirth.

But not everyone is convinced.

“They make formula for a reason, and the FDA makes sure it’s safe,” said Roxanne Schmidt, whose 14-month-old twins were fed with formula from birth. “Locking it up is just wrong.”

Read more: Mayor Bloomberg pushing NYC hospitals to hide baby formula so more new mothers will breast-feed - NYPOST.com
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With each bottle a mother requests and receives, she’ll also get a talking-to.
that's fucking ridiculous. for starters, though it says later in the article it'll be signed out like medication, it isn't medication. it's food. breastfeeding is best but it isn't always an option for every mom. to have to deal with a demeaning lecture on why they shouldn't bottle-feed every time they dare to try to feed their baby is over the top.

i'd like to think this would get shut down and while they'd encourage moms to breastfeed while in the hospital, there wouldn't be guilt trips if they didn't, i don't think that'll be the case. there's a small number of people (usually attachment parents) who seem to think those that use formula are evil and purposely depriving their kids of the stuff breastmilk has that formula just doesn't. i'd bet if anyone speaks out and states how there's nothing inherently wrong with bottle feeding it'll just get shot down.

maybe i sound bitter for someone who doesn't even have kids yet, but i tire of these parents who just because something worked for them, it's set in stone that it works for everyone and every baby. if that were the case, there'd be one definitive parenting book to follow and doctors wouldn't find new evidence that maybe this thing or that thing should be done differently or whatever.

when i was a baby the pendulum had swung back from using formula to if you were a good mommy who cared about your baby, you'd breastfeed. well, my mom tried. it made me colicy and as soon as she switched to formula, the colic went away. should she have just stayed the course and ensured we both got fuck all sleep until i was weaned because breastmilk is better?
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This is getting ridiculous. I don't know what Bloomberg is thinking, but he is getting out of control.

If a new mother wants to bottle feed her baby, that's her decision! Why try to make her feel guilty about her choice? Like the article says, if the FDA approves, what gives? Formula is not poison or overly fattening. And I think in the case of twins or other multiple births, formula would be downright logical. A woman is not a cow.

I can't help but wonder what's next - deciding for us which toilet paper to use?
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And I think in the case of twins or other multiple births, formula would be downright logical. A woman is not a cow.
that's a great point. especially if it's even more - can you imagine one woman breastfeeding septuplets? would she be expected to hire a wet nurse instead of using formula? give me a break!

i'm all for the government helping to inspire people to make healthier food choices, but it's not like formula has the nutritional equivalent of a hamburger, while breastmilk is a plate of vegetables. whichever option the mom wants to make is her choice, not the hospital's.
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This is getting ridiculous. I don't know what Bloomberg is thinking, but he is getting out of control.

If a new mother wants to bottle feed her baby, that's her decision! Why try to make her feel guilty about her choice? Like the article says, if the FDA approves, what gives? Formula is not poison or overly fattening. And I think in the case of twins or other multiple births, formula would be downright logical. A woman is not a cow.

I can't help but wonder what's next - deciding for us which toilet paper to use?
I agree-woman's decision what is best for her and her baby, not a man. Unless it's the man you are with and he decides with you.

Why make women feel guilty? Because some people make a living, make an industry, make a freaking daily habit out of that.

I don't get Bloomberg's attitude about the freedoms of Chick Fil A (not that I disagree with that, I agree with it) vs the freedoms of women's choice in feeding a baby, or getting a big drink, whatever.
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