The F$$d P$lice are C$ming

[deep]

1. I like Huxley a bit more than Orwell - but that's just me.

2. I hope the government respects their belief system and treats them appropriately.

[the iron horse]

On the FDA page

http://www.fda.gov/

If you wish to agree or disagree with this, please post where you can
send a message.

I can't find it

[deep]

here is the raw milk link

The Dangers of Raw Milk: Unpasteurized Milk Can Pose a Serious Health Risk

good information. I thrust the government.

[the iron horse]

Originally Posted by deep

here is the raw milk link

The Dangers of Raw Milk: Unpasteurized Milk Can Pose a Serious Health Risk

good information. I thrust the government.

You trust the government?

Raw Milk Facts...The Raw Milk Information Guide You Can Trust!

Reading is fun

[deep]

just a quick look at that site

it does seem to have some legit information

[BVS]

Originally Posted by the iron horse

You trust the government?

Raw Milk Facts...The Raw Milk Information Guide You Can Trust!

Reading is fun

My body has been my laboratory over the years, but we're all unique biochemically, so please use what you learn here carefully- what works for one may not necessarily work for another. As a Nutrition Consultant, even with three decades of independent nutritional research and a degree in Biology, I'm not qualified to give out medical advice.

At least he's a little more honest than most of your "sources".

[Canadiens1131]

Originally Posted by the iron horse

You trust the government?

Raw Milk Facts...The Raw Milk Information Guide You Can Trust!

Reading is fun

Thinking for yourself is fun

No, I don't trust the government entirely, nor do I trust a single website entirely. Why does everything have to be black or white with you? Folks have the freedom to digest a large amount of information from a variety of sources, and come up with a reasonable opinion.

This is a skill Americans are losing due to relying on crap for "news" that has a preformatted opinion baked in for them.

[KhanadaRhodes]

Originally Posted by Canadiens1131

This is a skill Americans are losing due to relying on crap for "news" that has a preformatted opinion baked in for them.

http://www.this-website-doesnt-help-your-argument.com

[the iron horse]

A recent study finds that reducing salt intake
is not necessarily a healthy choice.

New Study Questions Salt Restriction

[coolian2]

you have got some weird obsessions, boy.

[BVS]

Actual study:

Conclusions In this population-based cohort, systolic blood pressure, but not diastolic pressure, changes over time aligned with change in sodium excretion, but this association did not translate into a higher risk of hypertension or CVD complications. Lower sodium excretion was associated with higher CVD mortality.

The conclusion to which Orit Sklar and Fox News seems a little disingenuous. This study focused on sodium excretion, but never mentions if intake and excretion was consistent for all the participants.

Orit Sklar, national spokeswoman for " My Food. My Choice !" says, “This essential nutrient, which the food police have vilified for years and have used government recommendations, mandates, and obscene marketing campaigns to force or scare us to stop consuming it, has now been vindicated."

Anyone think the iron horse may be this Orit character?

[the iron horse]

I guess you have thrown the salt shaker out the window.

Not me, I'm going to salt my eggs


Vital Functions of Salt in the Body

[BVS]

Originally Posted by the iron horse

I guess you have thrown the salt shaker out the window.

Not me, I'm going to salt my eggs


Vital Functions of Salt in the Body

No, in fact no one has ever suggested throwing out the salt shaker. You would know that if you took the time to read people's posts.

Personally I use very little salt in cooking, I like my eggs with hot sauce(which already has salt). I try to limit my salt intake. I know how much sodium the human body needs. But I admit it's my biggest weakness. Not much of a sweets guy, don't drink soft drinks, don't eat red meat, but I love chips and love french fries...

[MrsSpringsteen]

By CHRISTINA HOAG, Associated Press Mon May 9, 3:18 am ET

LOS ANGELES – Chocolate milk has long been seen as the spoonful of sugar that makes the medicine go down, but the nation's childhood obesity epidemic has a growing number of people wondering whether that's wise.

With schools under increasing pressure to offer healthier food, the staple on children's cafeteria trays has come under attack over the very ingredient that made it so popular — sugar.

Some school districts have gone as far as prohibiting flavored milk, and Florida considered a statewide ban in schools. Other districts have sought a middle ground by replacing flavored milks containing high-fructose corn syrup with versions containing sugar, which some see as a more natural sweetener.

Los Angeles Unified, the nation's second-largest school district, is the latest district to tackle the issue. Superintendent John Deasy recently announced he would push this summer to remove chocolate and strawberry milk from school menus.

But nutritionists — and parents — are split over whether bans make sense, especially when about 70 percent of milk consumed in schools is flavored, mostly chocolate, according to the industry-backed Milk Processors Education Program.

Many, including the School Nutrition Association, American Academy of Pediatrics, American Dietetic Association, American Heart Association, and National Medical Association, argue that the nutritional value of flavored low-fat or skim milk outweighs the harm of added sugar. Milk contains nine essential nutrients including calcium, vitamin D and protein.

A joint statement from those groups points to studies that show kids who drink fat-free, flavored milk meet more of their nutrient needs and are not heavier than non-milk drinkers.

"Chocolate milk has been unfairly pegged as one of the causes of obesity," said Julie Buric, vice president of marketing for the Milk Processors Education Program.

Others note the nation's child obesity epidemic and say flavored milk simply needs to go.

Eight ounces of white milk served in Los Angeles public schools contains 14 grams of natural sugar or lactose; fat-free chocolate milk has an extra six grams of sugar for a total of 20 grams, while fat-free strawberry milk has a total of 27 grams — the same as eight ounces of Coca-Cola.

"Chocolate milk is soda in drag," said Ann Cooper, director of nutrition services for the Boulder Valley School District in Louisville, Colo., which has banned flavored milk. "It works as a treat in homes, but it doesn't belong in schools."

Flavored milk is also a target of British TV chef Jamie Oliver, who has made revamping school food a signature cause.

For a segment to be aired on his "Food Revolution" TV show, he recently filled a school bus with white sand to represent the amount of sugar Los Angeles Unified school children consume weekly in flavored milk.

"If you have flavored milk, that's candy," he told The Associated Press.

Oliver cheered Deasy's proposal to remove flavored milk from schools during a recent joint appearance on the "Jimmy Kimmel Live!" show.

If the school board adopts the ban, Los Angeles Unified would join districts including Washington and Berkeley, Calif.

But efforts by some other districts turned sour after children drank less milk. Milk consumption drops by 35 percent when flavored milks are removed, according to the Milk Processors Education Program.

Cabell County, W.Va., schools brought chocolate milk back at the recommendation of state officials, and Fairfax County, Va., did the same after its dairy provider came up with a version sweetened with beet sugar rather than high-fructose corn syrup.

The Florida Board of Education also backed away from its proposed ban on chocolate milk after the state agricultural commissioner urged the board to look at all sugary food and beverages served in schools.

The Los Angeles district has worked with its dairy supplier on flavored versions using the sweetener Truvia and chicory, district spokesman Robert Alaniz said.

Cooper and others argued children will drink plain milk if that's what's offered.

"We've taught them to drink chocolate milk, so we can unteach them that," Cooper said. "Our kids line up for milk."

Boulder Valley hasn't been barraged with complaints since removing chocolate milk two years ago, but it hasn't tracked whether milk consumption has dropped, she said.

Parents line up on both sides of the issue.

Deborah Bellholt, a South Los Angeles mother, said none of her six children ranging from pre-school to high school age will drink plain milk. "By allowing kids flavored milk, they still get the calcium they need," she said. "If not, they'd bypass it."

But Mimi Bonetti, a suburban Los Angeles mother with two elementary school-age children who drink plain milk, said she gets angry that chocolate milk is portrayed as nutritious. Children can get calcium and other nutrients from other foods, she said.

"If you offer them the choice of chocolate or plain, of course they're going to choose chocolate," Bonetti said. "When you're telling kids that drinking chocolate milk is a healthy choice, it's sending the wrong message."

Ask kids, and most vote for chocolate. Suburban Los Angeles seventh-grader Nacole Johnson said plain milk tastes yucky. If there were no chocolate milk, "I wouldn't drink it," she said.

[KhanadaRhodes]

i don't even remember at what point i ever had chocolate milk with lunch, probably middle or high school. they had chocolate, sure, but i like plain milk just fine. there's very little food i can tolerate with flavoured milk (especially the pre-made stuff as opposed to putting syrup in yourself) because the flavour is so overwhelming. i think pointing the finger at it though is a bit of a cop-out; it's not the tiny carton of chocolate milk making the kids fat, it's the pizza with tater tots making them fat.

[Canadiens1131]

Originally Posted by the iron horse

I guess you have thrown the salt shaker out the window.

Not me, I'm going to salt my eggs [/url]

Salt is excellent; I'm a big fan. Everything in moderation, with reasonable, non-restaurant-sized portions.

[MrsSpringsteen]

Doctors' Orders: Stop Marketing Junk Food to Kids

An open letter to McDonald’s CEO Jim Skinner

As health professionals engaged directly in the largest preventable health crisis facing this country, we ask that you stop marketing junk food to children.

The rates of sick children are staggering. Ballooning health care costs and an overburdened health care system make treatment more difficult than ever. And we know that reducing junk food marketing can significantly improve the health of kids.

Our community is devoted to caring for sick children and preventing illness through public education. But our efforts cannot compete with the hundreds of millions of dollars you spend each year directly marketing to kids.

Today, our private practices, pediatric clinics, and emergency rooms are filled with children suffering from conditions related to the food they eat. In the decades to come, one in three children will develop type 2 diabetes as a result of diets high in McDonald’s-style junk food, according to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. This generation may be the first in U.S. history to live shorter lives than their parents.

The rise of health conditions like diabetes and heart disease mirrors the growth of your business – growth driven in large part by childrens marketing. Although the American Academy of Pediatrics deems such marketing “inherently deceptive to children under 8,” you continue to use it as a vehicle to grow your enterprise.

As one marketing expert puts it, “Ronald captures kids’ attention better than anyone else can.” You use Ronald McDonald and other promotions to appeal to kids in environments that informed parents and health professionals can’t constantly monitor – from schools to libraries to the internet. Today, your icon is as recognized as Santa Claus, and the McDonald’s model of marketing is used by a range of abusive industries.

McDonald’s and industry front groups have refused to address the dangerous toll that fast food and predatory marketing is taking on our kids. While acknowledging that fast food is unhealthy, you pin responsibility for the epidemic of diet related disease on a breakdown in parental responsibility.

As health professionals, we know that parents exercising responsibility for their childrens diets and physical activity is vital. We also know – and the Yale Rudd Center for Food Policy and Obesity agrees – that no authoritative data indicate a breakdown in parental responsibility.

Obesity and disease levels among kids are rising even though parents continue to parent and, as researchers at Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health conclude, kids continue to exercise at rates similar to those of two decades ago. So what has changed?

What has changed is the food children eat and the amount of marketing they are bombarded with. Even when parents resist the “nag effect” cultivated by McDonald’s to access the $40 – 50 billion in annual purchases that children under 12 control, advertising creates brand loyalties that persist into adulthood.

Advertising is at the heart of McDonald’s business model, with annual expenditures reaching $2 billion. Your marketing practices set the standard for competitors across industries.

We know the contributors to today’s epidemic are manifold and a broad societal response is required. But marketing can no longer be ignored as a significant part of this massive problem.

We ask that you heed our concern and retire your marketing promotions for food high in salt, fat, sugar, and calories to children, whatever form they take – from Ronald McDonald to toy giveaways. Our children and health care system will benefit from your leadership on this issue.

[Diemen]

Originally Posted by MrsSpringsteen

Doctors Orders: Stop Marketing Junk Food to Kids

Activist doctors!

[MrsSpringsteen]

I don't think Ronald is making kids eat junk food-in fact, they might be afraid of him. He's a bit scary/creepy like all clowns can be.

What about the Ronald McDonald houses? Those are great places doing great work.

Leave Ronald alone

[the iron horse]

You see now Ronald is being carried away by the Food Police



It would be refreshing if a prominent person would
simply stand up to a mike and speak a few simple suggestions:

-To Big Soda and Food Companies. Stop using high fructose
corn syrup and stop the lies about diet soda.
This really cuts into the $$$ profits.

-To parents. Stop asking your little ones what they want for
dinner. Simply serve a healthy meal. They will not die of
hunger if they miss a meal. parents set the example.

-To all of us. Moderation in all things. And let's get physically
active!