The End is Nigh: US Presidential Election Thread Part XVI

[mama cass]

Originally Posted by Vlad n U 2

I'm hoping Melenchon does well, or at least Nuit Debout could get back up and running (I'm not sure if it's still active or if it's hardly reported now). I was encouraged by the intensification of trade union/worker activity in response to the French government.

the CGT represent a tiny percentage of the workforce - they make a lot of noise compared to their size, and are frowned on by other unions, so don't know how much clout they really have to be honest...

i have always voted socialist, and really like Melenchon and his philosophy but can't see him getting enough votes from the middle classes, business etc. to keep Le Pen out; however, many of my Melenchon-supporting friends are gearing up to back Juppe (hopefully - please God don't let it be Sarko) as a strategic vote to keep the fascists out of power (I don't have a vote here unfortunately, but that's what i would do for sure)

[mama cass]

Originally Posted by Mrs. Garrison

Good Post.

Aside from a couple of brief comments last night (past my bedtime i might add) i have no desire to shitpost. I guess i am not the shit talker that i used to be, and for those who know or remember you would have to agree. I was hell once upon a time.

We need unity, here, there, and everywhere. TRUMP gave a good speech early this morning, Mrs. Clinton gave a good speech today, i haven't heard Mr. Obama's speech yet but i look forward to it. I like the idea of everyone coming together for a common good and healing. Things might be difficult for some and maybe for a while but hopefully it is all for the greater good and that all will eventually be realized.

I hope that makes sense.

unity? no chance - unity on his terms? unity with the KKK twat who said last night was the best night of his life? you want acceptance of what he stands for? then people to turn a blind eye? there needs to be protest, dissent must not be suppressed, he needs to have a massive fuck-off thorn in his side and be held to account every single step of the way over the next 4 years

[mama cass]

Originally Posted by Headache in a Suitcase

Finally, something Trump and I can agree on.

i keep thinking, if the shoe were on the other foot right now, all hell would have broken loose...

[Salome]

I acknowledge every election cycle has plenty of dirt thrown around.
But how one can go from claiming multiple times your opponent needs to be locked up and for over a year degrade pretty much everyone who isn't a straight white male to a call for unity within the blink of an eye seems cynical even within the realms of politics.

[LuckyNumber7]

Talks of Palin getting a cabinet position lead me to believe this whole thing is still a joke.

[Axver]

Originally Posted by LuckyNumber7

Talks of Palin getting a cabinet position lead me to believe this whole thing is still a joke.

I'm starting to think a tweet I read yesterday was true, that the Rapture happened in 2014 and the only people taken were those aboard MH370. We are now going through the End Times.

[U2girl]

Unity ? I guess it looks like this for Trump

Omarosa: Trump campaign keeping 'list' of enemies - CNNPolitics.com

[Headache in a Suitcase]

Originally Posted by Axver

I'm starting to think a tweet I read yesterday was true, that the Rapture happened in 2014 and the only people taken were those aboard MH370. We are now going through the End Times.

Mind. Blown.

[KhanadaRhodes]

Originally Posted by bono_212

But in the states there are ID cards for those who can't drive, so that's why I'm confused. Like I can't figure out how anyone could accomplish anything, forget voting for a second, like purchasing alcohol, or even cigarettes for a basic example, without having an ID.

yes but you have to go get them, and if you can't drive it makes it even harder to do just that. if you live in a rural area, forget it. alabama, where i used to live, passed voter id laws and then conveniently closed many dmv locations in the most rural counties with the highest black populations.

they then reopened them but only with ridiculous hours, like the fourth wednesday of every month...but what if there is no fourth wednesday? not open i guess. you cannot apply for these by mail since you need to show proof of identity and also have your picture taken.

getting a passport is more convenient as you just go to any post office and there is probably one closer to someone, even in rural areas, but passports are far more expensive than a license or other photo id. plus often if it's not for driving, they don't expire (my dad got his nearly 20 years ago and it says no expiration date) so it's a one-time fee and inconvenience. but if you live three hours from the closest dmv, can't drive, and maybe can't even afford that id, even that can be impossible to pull off.

[ntalwar]

Originally Posted by Mrs. Garrison

...but in the end i realized i had to vote for TRUMP because the risk of HRC getting elected and enforcing the no-fly zone in Syria / starting WW3 was just way way too much.

But you gave Trump a free pass for the scary things he has said about nukes:

https://thinkprogress.org/9-terrifyi...s-99f6290bc32a

[Headache in a Suitcase]

I get angrier by the day

How these people allowed themselves to be conned so badly.

[LuckyNumber7]

It's amazing how our perceptions of each other have changed over the course of this election 😂

[ntalwar]

Originally Posted by Irvine511

You've been conned to think that Trump will do anything to help you. Or help anyone other than the wealthy. He loves low information voters.

Exactly. The big banks are happy because Trump wants to roll back Dodd-Frank, which could cause another financial crisis. The typical Trump voter's job could be at risk again.

[bono_212]

Originally Posted by KhanadaRhodes

yes but you have to go get them, and if you can't drive it makes it even harder to do just that. if you live in a rural area, forget it. alabama, where i used to live, passed voter id laws and then conveniently closed many dmv locations in the most rural counties with the highest black populations.

they then reopened them but only with ridiculous hours, like the fourth wednesday of every month...but what if there is no fourth wednesday? not open i guess. you cannot apply for these by mail since you need to show proof of identity and also have your picture taken.

getting a passport is more convenient as you just go to any post office and there is probably one closer to someone, even in rural areas, but passports are far more expensive than a license or other photo id. plus often if it's not for driving, they don't expire (my dad got his nearly 20 years ago and it says no expiration date) so it's a one-time fee and inconvenience. but if you live three hours from the closest dmv, can't drive, and maybe can't even afford that id, even that can be impossible to pull off.

Hmm, interesting. It's still hard for me to wrap my head around, but this helps.

[Hewson]

Originally Posted by bono_212

But in the states there are ID cards for those who can't drive, so that's why I'm confused. Like I can't figure out how anyone could accomplish anything, forget voting for a second, like purchasing alcohol, or even cigarettes for a basic example, without having an ID.

In MA, we don't need an ID to vote, and frankly I think that is preposterous. Somebody who knows my name and address could go and vote saying they were me if they get to the polls before I do.

I can't understand the hue and cry over asking for proof that someone is who they claim to be before they vote.
Like you say, folks without a license can get a state ID card, my mother never had a driver's license her entire life, always had a MA state ID.

How do folks get on an airplane without an ID these days (I know not everyone flies)? If you are an adult, I don't think being required to have some form of official identification is infringing on anyone's civil rights.

[Hewson]

Originally Posted by KhanadaRhodes

they then reopened them but only with ridiculous hours, like the fourth wednesday of every month...but what if there is no fourth wednesday? not open i guess. .

There is a fourth Wednesday in every month.

[bono_212]

Originally Posted by Hewson

In MA, we don't need an ID to vote, and frankly I think that is preposterous. Somebody who knows my name and address could go and vote saying they were me if they get to the polls before I do.

I can't understand the hue and cry over asking for proof that someone is who they claim to be before they vote.
Like you say, folks without a license can get a state ID card, my mother never had a driver's license her entire life, always had a MA state ID.

How do folks get on an airplane without an ID these days (I know not everyone flies)? If you are an adult, I don't think being required to have some form of official identification is infringing on anyone's civil rights.

It was nice not needing one in CA, but simply for convenience sake. As you say, I always have my ID on me, I don't understand how you're meant to get around without it.

Now there were examples in the article about preposterous situations like the Minn license not being enough. That kinda stuff is clearly just trying to make someone jump through a useless hoop, that's why I was wondering what strict meant.

[BVS]

Originally Posted by Hewson

In MA, we don't need an ID to vote, and frankly I think that is preposterous. Somebody who knows my name and address could go and vote saying they were me if they get to the polls before I do.



I can't understand the hue and cry over asking for proof that someone is who they claim to be before they vote.

Like you say, folks without a license can get a state ID card, my mother never had a driver's license her entire life, always had a MA state ID.



How do folks get on an airplane without an ID these days (I know not everyone flies)? If you are an adult, I don't think being required to have some form of official identification is infringing on anyone's civil rights.

I agree. Except what do you tell those elderly or living in poverty? Yes voting is your right, but you have to pay for it. It may not seem like a lot, but to some it is. If we require it, shouldn't the ID be a right as well?

My 95 year old grandma doesn't have an ID ever since we took away her car 10 years ago. She still lives on her own. She's never needed one, she's sweet and old so no one questions who she is, or if she's legal age


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[LuckyNumber7]

Originally Posted by BVS

I agree. Except what do you tell those elderly or living in poverty? Yes voting is your right, but you have to pay for it. It may not seem like a lot, but to some it is. If we require it, shouldn't the ID be a right as well?

My 95 year old grandma doesn't have an ID ever since we took away her car 10 years ago. She still lives on her own. She's never needed one, she's sweet and old so no one questions who she is, or if she's legal age


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Sounds like the prime candidate to be the victim of identity theft for voting.

[Hewson]

Originally Posted by BVS

I agree. Except what do you tell those elderly or living in poverty? Yes voting is your right, but you have to pay for it. It may not seem like a lot, but to some it is. If we require it, shouldn't the ID be a right as well?

My 95 year old grandma doesn't have an ID ever since we took away her car 10 years ago. She still lives on her own. She's never needed one, she's sweet and old so no one questions who she is, or if she's legal age


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I see there are some circumstances that are tricky. Your Grandma should be able to get a state ID. Like I said, my mother had one until the day she passed, they don't expire like a license, (at least in MA) so it cost her a one time fee of whatever it was like $30.00.

As for the extremely poor, there should be a provision for the Gov't to provide them a free ID.
Many of them manage to get their government assistance somehow, I assume that requires some proof of who you are (honestly don't know).

Obviously no perfect answer, but as I said before I don't find asking an adult to prove who they are or how old they are before voting, buying liquor, buying a lottery ticket, boarding a plane etc. etc. is that much of a civil rights infringement.