The End is Nigh: US Presidential Election Thread Part XVI

[Hewson]

Man that took a long time to catch up from when I went to bed last night.

The sun rose this morning.
There will be changes, but nothing as drastic and devastating as some fear.

[Moonlit_Angel]

Yep. I'd been saying all along Democratic politicians and voters shouldn't have just sat back and assumed they had this wrapped up.

[Muad'zin]

Originally Posted by elevated_u2_fan

“My fellow citizens,

The rise of this blusterous man bewilders the educated among us, conjoins opposing politicians, agonizes our international allies, threatens minorities, spits on the disabled, and touches the hearts of those who just don’t know any better.

Let us stop propounding how mad this all is , but instead, do something.”

Liselotte Hübner

Germany, 1929

Playing the Hitler card only works for so long until it stops being effective through overuse. And then when an actual real new Hitler comes along no one will believe you. The boy who cried wolf effect.

[Irvine511]

Originally Posted by Headache in a Suitcase

The "if it was Bernie" or "if it was Biden" or "if it was Kanye" crowds are quite loud this morning... and hey, maybe they're right. Hillary was never the best candidae. Most admit as such.

But let's run down the facts...
--She outspent Trump by huge margins
--She waxed the floor with him in all three debates
--she had the best of the best running her campaign, and he had his dumb sons
--he fractured his own party while her party rallies around her
--He was so outlandish and boorish that his own staff had to take away his Twitter account to keep him from doing something stupid

And he won.

And he won by driving up record numbers in rural white counties.

A socialist Jew from New Hampshire was going to negate the rural white vote?

Maybe... Maaaaybe if Biden had run he could have won the county around Scranton by a larger number and held on to Pennsylvania. But take away Pennsylvania and Trump still wins, barring something shocking in Arizona.

This was a gross underestimation of the power off white middle America. And the results of this underestimation are terrifying.

let's add in that she's probably going to win the popular vote. and this is spot on -- Biden, i think, might have gotten it done. Bernie? huge unknown. we can say that this was a "change/movement" election, and Bernie would have represented that -- although Obama's approval rating is high, so not really change? -- but i don't see how his leftist politics were going to sway Trump voters, and we know the kids are unreliable, and that Bernie is no Obama when it comes to black voters.

in essence, who the fuck knows.

where i will admit to being dead wrong was HRC's inability to pick off moderate Republican white women. i am shocked about that.

[Headache in a Suitcase]

The first African American President in our history will be succeeded by the man who led the birther movement.

Ain't that America.

[Irvine511]

Originally Posted by Headache in a Suitcase

The first African American President in our history will be succeeded by the man who led the birther movement.

Ain't that America.

but his voters aren't racist, they're just hard working Americans looking for a fair shake at the dream.

[Hewson]

Originally Posted by Headache in a Suitcase

The first African American President in our history will be succeeded by the man who led the birther movement.

Ain't that America.

And he's also the second straight POTUS of color.

#Orangelivesmatter

[trojanchick99]

This is a real thing. Oregon and Washington are invited as well.

http://time.com/4564119/california-c...trump-victory/

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[mikal]

Yeah for those all over Facebook saying that Bernie would have won, that's like saying your football team would have won if they had opted to kick a field goal instead of going for it in the 1st quarter.

[Bono's shades]

Originally Posted by Irvine511

where i will admit to being dead wrong was HRC's inability to pick off moderate Republican white women. i am shocked about that.

I know. I was so sure a sizable amount of women who told family, friends and ever pollsters they were planning to vote for Trump would go into the voting booth, have a come-to-Jesus moment and decide, "Nah, I can't do it."

My mom, a staunch pro-life Republican, told me months ago she couldn't bring herself to vote for either Clinton or Trump so she was staying home. I was hoping there were a lot of women like her. Even if they didn't vote for Clinton, that's a GOP vote Trump would be expected to get that he didn't.

[ntalwar]

Originally Posted by Headache in a Suitcase

A socialist Jew from New Hampshire was going to negate the rural white vote?

Bernie did win the rural WI and MI rural white vote over Hillary though, in the primary.

[Headache in a Suitcase]

Originally Posted by ntalwar

Bernie did win the rural WI and MI rural white vote over Hillary though, in the primary.

Dem vs dem, not even in the same ballpark.

These weren't democrats that turned the tide.

[phanan]

Looks like my state is gonna get it right at least.

[Hewson]

Originally Posted by phanan

Looks like my state is gonna get it right at least.

Took you fuckers long enough to figure it out.
Try calculators instead of pencil and paper.

[Bono's shades]

Originally Posted by ntalwar

Bernie did win the rural WI and MI rural white vote over Hillary though, in the primary.

But those were Democratic voters.

Bernie was treated with kid gloves during the primary. He would have wilted the second he got the nomination and Trump's people started reminding everyone 24/7 that he's a Socialist. Also, who knows that Bernie has in his past that hasn't come to light? Why didn't he release his tax returns? It pisses me off that he got a total pass on that but Clinton's every word, facial expression and cough was scrutinized.

[Moonlit_Angel]

The only positive outcome for my state of Iowa last night was that three state judges who supported the 2009 ruling legalizing same-sex marriage here were retained.

Otherwise, my state's still got Steve King, Chuck Grassley, David Young, and Terry Branstad in power, and the state overwhelmingly went for Trump. Faaaaaaaaaaaantastic .

Minnesota went blue this election. Maybe I can move up there.

[Headache in a Suitcase]

There wasn't some huge jump of Dems for Trump. Unaffiliated white voters, many of whom have not been a part of the process for a long time if ever, went overwhelmingly for Trump.

[trojanchick99]

Yeah, I say that Joe Biden would have won because he probably could have appealed to rust belt voters who apparently aren't ready for a female president.

On the bright side, I can now legally be stoned for the next 1-4 years depending on when Trump brings on armageddon.

[Bono's shades]

Originally Posted by Moonlit_Angel

The only positive outcome for my state of Iowa last night was that three state judges who supported the 2009 ruling legalizing same-sex marriage here were retained.

Otherwise, my state's still got Steve King, Chuck Grassley, David Young, and Terry Branstad in power, and the state overwhelmingly went for Trump. Faaaaaaaaaaaantastic .

Minnesota went blue this election. Maybe I can move up there.

from another Iowan. I love my state but it is hard sometimes. Steve King represents my district. It is mortifying.

Minnesota is also that much closer to Canada if worst comes to worst. I think my passport has either expired or is about to expire. Maybe I should get it renewed just in case. I really do think it is important to stay and try to do what I can to help my country somehow, but I feel so hopeless and helpless right now and I want a contingency plan.

[deep]

the exit polls I saw had Hillary getting about as many GOP votes and Trump got Dems in many states,
is that what people are seeing?? also, Hillary lost her own demographic, white women voted for Trump over her