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Old 02-20-2008, 05:58 PM   #201
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Math is where this college girl graciously bows out.
I will join you.

I remember that from microeconomics.
If a rational person prefers a to b and b to c, he prefers a to c.
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Old 02-20-2008, 05:59 PM   #202
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I hate math. I haven't one taken one semester yet in college. Here's hoping that I won't have to take anymore once I transfer and start school again either.
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I had to take 1 semester, in fact it was my first ever college class, stats at 8am MWF But that's all done now


aaaaaaaaaand back on topic...
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I wonder if Jesus came back to life
and tapped you on the shoulder if you would even recognize him.


Jesus wouldn't win Ohio.
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Old 02-20-2008, 08:42 PM   #205
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not against Hillary

Ohio is one of the Battleground states

and at the end of times, oops, I mean end of the day (election day)

it most likely will come down to Ohio and Florida again.
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not if NM, CO, and VA all go blue first.

but none of them will go gay for Hillary, unfortunately.
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not if NM, CO, and VA all go blue first.

thank you

I have been asking all Obama maniacs in here
to explain to me how BHO can get to 271 electoral votes.

U2dem thinks Virginia will remain Red,
if there is data to support it going Blue for Obama - this is something.
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thank you

I have been asking all Obama maniacs in here
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U2dem thinks Virginia will remain Red,
if there is data to support it going Blue for Obama - this is something.


if the evangelicals stay home, and the white male moderates go for the black guy and not the school marm, you're looking at well over 300 electoral votes.
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U2dem thinks Virginia will remain Red,
if there is data to support it going Blue for Obama - this is something.
I may be changing my mind over this, particularly after our primary. Virginia republicans are dissatisfied, and Independents and Democrats are going overwhelmingly for Obama.

This surprised me, but we're definitely seeing a change in Virginia.
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just when you think you heard everything:





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^^Yes. Lying about and defaming a person's character is just the funniest damn thing ever.

What a fool. I'm sure someone who's had an affair with Obama is going to go on Youtube and talk about it.
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if the evangelicals stay home,
I don't believe this will happen in Nov

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the white male moderates go for the black guy
this could describe me

and the Obama's are alienating me.

and as for the supreme court picks

I am not sure what to expect from Obama, especially in a first term
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i cannot understand how, after all that has transpired in this election and given the male Clinton's behavior, that the Obamas could possibly be more "alienating" than the ultimate power couple behaving badly and losing primaries and presenting the campaign as little more than a Lifetime "... watch one woman's journey ..." narrative filled with the most narcissistic speeches i've ever heard.
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i cannot understand how, after all that has transpired in this election and given the male Clinton's behavior, that the Obamas could possibly be more "alienating" than the ultimate power couple behaving badly and losing primaries and presenting the campaign as little more than a Lifetime "... watch one woman's journey ..." narrative filled with the most narcissistic speeches i've ever heard.
I agree.

Hillary would do anything to win - this is still a positive as against the Republicans. But her actions, or some of them, at least, are just repugnant. She is a woman in the business of running for president, and that's pretty much all there is to her these days. She is not the woman from the early 90s...
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Hillary would do anything to win - this is still a positive as against the Republicans. But her actions, or some of them, at least, are just repugnant. She is a woman in the business of running for president, and that's pretty much all there is to her these days. She is not the woman from the early 90s...
C'mon Martina, we haven't seen a desperate Obama. He wants to win badly as well. I guess we should pretend he doesn't really want to win, he'll just orate and hope for the best? If he was sludging along, it might become a different spectacle. I think that this charge against Hillary is unfair and disengenious, if I actually knew how to spell it.

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thank you

I have been asking all Obama maniacs in here
to explain to me how BHO can get to 271 electoral votes.

U2dem thinks Virginia will remain Red,
if there is data to support it going Blue for Obama - this is something.
The one part of your argument that I've never understood is the part where people who would have voted for Clinton in those key battleground states vote for McCain instead rather than vote for Obama. I just don't see evidence for Clinton voters going that way. Then again, I suppose it could be a kind of self-fulfilling prophecy where folks like yourself who prefer Clinton become increasingly "alienated" by the Obamas to the point where you're ready to put a Republican back in the Whtie House.

And I feel like a broken record here but. . .

I find the Obamamania annoying at the least and harmful at worst, and shallow no matter what.

But the Obama dismissal due to his charisma is equally shallow. It just SOUNDS deep (no pun intended).
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But the Obama dismissal due to his charisma is equally shallow.
Agree. I'd even say it's a bit prejudiced. It's not all that different from dismissing a beautiful woman because she must be shallow.
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C'mon Martina, we haven't seen a desperate Obama. He wants to win badly as well. I guess we should pretend he doesn't really want to win, he'll just orate and hope for the best? If he was sludging along, it might become a different spectacle. I think that this charge against Hillary is unfair and disengenious, if I actually knew how to spell it.

-signed, Clinton apologist #4,815,162.342


The thing that bothers me about her is mostly that I'm disappointed in her. I REALLY liked Hillary in the early 90s. I thought she was very well spoken and she was a woman of principles. It was obvious what was important to her (health care and children), and it is unfortunate that Gingrich et al. essentially destroyed her and publicly humiliated her. Even Bill talks about how health care reform is the one major failure of his administration. I think that fundamentally changed Hillary, but not for the better. She consciously decided that she has to do what it takes to win, and worse yet, almost took on this tone like she is owed the presidency (you can say Obama wants to win as much as she does, but nothing about him tells me that he feels like it's his goddamn turn and ain't nobody stopping him). Since then she's taken positions which have been wrong, but she's taken them in the name of pragmatism. That is fine, and certain people are a fan of that, saying that she did what she had to do to win and ultimately once she is in office, that is better than the alternative. I am not one of those people.

Had I not been such a fan of Hillary 15 years ago, I may support her today. But she is not that woman to me, and the one I see today is desperate, overly willing to compromise, pandering to the right/centre on the wrong issues, and unwilling to admit mistakes (although I cut her some slack on the Iraq thing, I think the poor woman really believes that as a woman, she has to take a right wing position on war).
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^One thing about the infamous healthcare plan, I have always hear Bill Clinton say (and this was even a few years ago before Hillary ran for president) that the failure is his responsibility and not to blame Hillary. He said she was just doing what he'd asked her to. Granted, that's not the way most of the country perceives it, and I would say most of the country is wrong, but the media and political opponents have always used that against Hillary. I am glad that Bill has always stepped up and taken the blame. From what I've read about said plan, it seems like it could've been workable on a smaller scale, but it was too much too soon. Granted, I was about 5 during this time, and only have a basic knowledge of what the plan was and how it played out, but that's how I've perceived it from things I've read.
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But the Obama dismissal due to his charisma is equally shallow. It just SOUNDS deep (no pun intended).


yes. exactly.
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