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Old 06-17-2011, 08:38 AM   #861
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I can't even bring myself to spend the time to watch the video, but maybe he should take a look at places that have had gay marriage for a while now. No signs of "anarchy" because of that, not that I can see. I think we still have a grip on what's right.

it's true. Massachusetts is in a state of chaos. it has the lowest divorce rate in the country, as well as the highest percentage of citizens with health care, not to mention professional sports teams that actually win Stanley Cups and Super Bowls and stuff.

madness.
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not to mention professional sports teams that actually win Stanley Cups and Super Bowls and stuff.

madness.
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Looks like the opposition to gay marriage isn't just from elderly white Republican males, as is often alleged on this forum!
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Looks like the opposition to gay marriage isn't just from elderly white Republican males, as is often alleged on this forum!


true.

though i've talked about intense homophobia from the black church before.

also, Diaz's granddaughter is gay and has spoken out against him politically on this issue.
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Old 06-17-2011, 07:55 PM   #865
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true.

though i've talked about intense homophobia from the black church before.
Indeed. I remember you talking about this issue before.
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true.

though i've talked about intense homophobia from the black church before.
Without question. The virulency of the homophobia I hear working in a predominantly black school and church is shocking to me.
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Old 06-17-2011, 11:24 PM   #867
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Without question. The virulency of the homophobia I hear working in a predominantly black school and church is shocking to me.


it does incredible damage to young black gay men.

also, we just had this whole Tracy Morgan incident.
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I'm tired of Republican-Democrat politics. They can take the job and shove it. I come from a blue-collar background. I'm trying to do the right thing, and that's where I'm going with this."

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I don't think the New York Senate is there yet.

It may take one more week, or not happen at all. I got to believe it will.

I hope it is not one GOP Senator that puts it over, but a hand full.

Andrew Cuomo OKs GOP Calls For Greater Religious Exemptions In Gay Marriage Bill | On Top Magazine :: Gay & Lesbian News, Entertainment, Commentary & Travel


If I were Cuomo, I would just let the good, decent religious folk, write up that the constitution allows them believe whatever they want and they have the right to discriminate against anyone they choose within there own organization and still keep their tax exempt status.
That is what this country was founded on.
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Well, to be fair, that's how the civil rights laws were written in the 60s.



Wasn't it?
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we need to be aware of the civil rights of religious organizations to deny civil rights to other people as they see fit. because marriage is "sacred" and all that, for everyone, even if you are an atheist.

my sense is that this will happen. Cuomo seems far too savvy to have put so much into this for it not to pay off, and he's a very popular governor (61% in a land of 9% unemployment) and he will ride this into the primaries of 2016 with enormous cred from the Democratic base.

i don't think he'll fuck it up.

and if New York goes, California will follow.
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We'll have to change our Constitution. Again.
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some powerful footage from Albany, NY:

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Consensus Reached on Religious Exemptions in Gay Marriage Bill - NYTimes.com


well??

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ALBANY -- The state Senate will vote on same-sex marriage Friday night, its leader said.
"After many hours of deliberation and discussion over the past several weeks by members, it has been decided that same sex marriage legislation will be brought to the full Senate for an up or down vote," Majority Leader Dean Skelos, R-Long Island, said in a statement.
The measure's advocates have said they were optimistic that, although only 31 senators have publicly declared their support for the measure, it has the 32nd vote needed for passage. It remained unclear who the final affirmative senator would be.
Skelos said same-sex marriage was a "very difficult issue" and "will be a vote of conscience."

It was unclear how late Friday evening -- or early Saturday morning -- a vote would come.




Read more: Same-sex marriage heads for a vote - Times Union
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I say it will pass tonight or tomorrow

the only question is,
if a few more GOP will move over to the right side of history and common decency.


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anyone that wants to watch this live,
it is not on my cable tv, but the N Y Senate is on live stream here:

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currently they are debating a taxes /economy bill, next up should be gay marriage bill.
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GOP Saland steps up and does the right thing. I think.
Dem Diaz votes no.




the religious exemptions have been made a part of the the bill. there is an inseparability clause that gives cover for anyone that wants to vote yes.
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religious exemptions vote is happening now.

it passes with 36 votes, only needed 31
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GOP STATE SENATOR MARK GRISANTI will vote yes.

that puts count to at least 32 on Gay Marriage bill.
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