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Old 05-20-2011, 09:53 AM   #741
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i do think we've crossed some sort of threshold at least as far as culture is concerned. the courts where there a few years ago, and legislation will follow, even if it takes years (look how long it took to get anti-miscegenation laws off the books).

but it is inevitable. and, somehow, straight people will still get married and have babies who grow up and get straight married about 95% of the time, only now that other 5% won't grow up in a world that tells them that they are less deserving of respect or consideration or worth than everybody else.

oh, the horror.
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It will happen and 20 years from now the next generation will see it as the right thing to have done and look to their parents like we did ours and segregation and either be proud or embarassed as to which side they were on.
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I believe we already have some DOMA-like BS here, but hey, let's amend our State constitution:

Minnesota Gay Marriage Ban Amendment Clears House Panel | On Top Magazine :: Gay & Lesbian News, Entertainment, Commentary & Travel




bravo to this:

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Several legislators who want to ‘protect marriage’ are divorced, records indicate
By Andy Birkey | 05.18.11 | 8:30 am

In testimony before Minnesota Senate and House committees last week, religious leaders and representatives from religious right organizations cited single-parent families and a skyrocketing divorce rate as reasons to protect marriage from being redefined to include same-sex couples by “activist judges” and “handfuls of legislators.” And GOP members rebuffed efforts by DFLers to include a ban on divorces in a proposed ban on gay marriage. However, a number of the legislators who say they want to protect marriage appear to have been divorced.

The Minnesota Family Council, a main proponent of the anti-gay marriage amendment, calls the effort to pass the amendment “protecting marriage” and organized testimony at the Minnesota Capitol in favor of bringing the issue to the ballot in 2012. The testifiers, who were all affiliated with religious denominations or groups, often said that divorce greatly weakened marriage and that same-sex marriage would spell its death knell.

Bishop John Quinn of the Diocese of Winona lamented the “high rates of fatherlessness” in American society and the “unfair burden of parenting alone” as reasons to protect marriage from gay and lesbian couples.

Dr. Jennifer Roback Morse of the National Organization for Marriage said, “Previous generations of social experimenters have caused unimaginable misery for millions of people. Particular people advocated the policies that led to today’s 50 percent divorce rate and 40 percent out-of-wedlock childbearing rate. None of these people has ever been held accountable,” she said.

On the amendment to bar gay marriage, she said, “Something this significant should not be rammed down the throats of an unwilling citizenry by judges. Let the people vote.”

But several legislators who want voters to ban gay marriage have had unsuccessful marriages.

According to a name, date of birth, and city search in publicly available Minnesota court records, Sen. Pam Wolf, R-Spring Lake Park, was divorced in 2000. She’s a sponsor of the Senate version of the bill that proposes a constitutional ban on gay marriage and voted to pass the bill in the Senate last week.

Alexandria Republican Rep. Mary Franson’s divorce earlier this year was reported on a liberal website, and records with the Minnesota court system match the name listed as her husband’s on her legislator biography page. She’s a sponsor of the House version of the bill.

Rep. Steve Drazkowski, R-Mazeppa, was divorced in 1994. In his first bid for office, the DFL attacked him when he tried to get his child support order reduced. He’s a sponsor of the House version of the bill.

The campaign website of Rep. Tony Cornish, R-Good Thunder, notes his divorce. He’s not a sponsor of the anti-gay marriage amendment, but he was in the last session.

Court records matched the name, date of birth and city of Rep. Doug Wardlow, R-Eagan, for a divorce in 2005. In a roll call vote in the House Civil Law Commitee, Wardlow voted in favor of the amendment.

Rep. Tom Hackbarth, R-Cedar, is legally separated from his wife, which was revealed last November when he was stopped by the police in a Planned Parenthood parking lot with a gun in his vehicle looking for a woman he found on the Internet. He was among the Republicans on the House Ways and Means Committee that passed the amendment by a voice vote.

Sen. Julie Rosen, R-Fairmont, is listed as divorced on her legislator biography page. Her divorce occurred in 2010, years after she voted to force a marriage amendment bill out of committee and onto the floor in 2006 and with then state Sen. Michele Bachmann in 2004. Rosen also was among the Republicans in the Senate who voted for the amendment last week.

Sen. Barb Goodwin, DFL-Columbia Heights, attempted to change the amendment so that if Minnesotans were to protect marriage from same-sex couples, they were also protecting marriage from divorce. She offered an amendment to the GOP measure that would define marriage as “one union” of one man and one woman valid in Minnesota, and when the GOP turned that down she offered an amendment that defined marriage as one man and one woman “for life.” That failed as well.

“If we are going to define marriage in the constitution, and the concern is that same-sex couples would create an unstable environment for children and would be wrong, then we should be able to say that marriage should be once in your life. Once married, that’s the only chance you get in Minnesota,” she said. “I think what that vote proved is that it isn’t an issue of how sacred marriage is. It’s an issue of discrimination.”

The Minnesota Family Council, despite organizing testimony to protect marriage, lined up Newt Gingrich to headline its fundraiser on Tuesday. Gingrich has been married three times; the first two marriages ended after he committed adultery with women who would become his second and third wives.

Several legislators who want to ‘protect marriage’ are divorced, records indicate | Minnesota Independent: News. Politics. Media.
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Bless Sen. Goodwin.

I don't think of Columbia Heights as a very progressive area. I will have to reexamine my prejudices.
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Remember, they are not about hate, just fiscal responsibility.
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let's protect marriage and children from these guys:

Phoenix gay dads adopt, raise 12 happy kids
Shameless recruitment scheme.

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Shameless recruitment scheme.

What, no more toaster giveaways?

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kind of heartening, and with one incredibly lovely moment:



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I saw that, I cried. I was trying to find it online so thanks.
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Focus on the Family president Jim Daly: We’re losing on that one [gay marriage], especially among the 20- and 30-somethings: 65 to 70 percent of them favor same-sex marriage. I don’t know if that’s going to change with a little more age—demographers would say probably not. We’ve probably lost that. I don’t want to be extremist here, but I think we need to start calculating where we are in the culture.
Eryk Zimmerman: They admit it: Focus on the Family president Jim Daly:
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Um, Joakim Noah..Kobe Jr. Classy.

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Old Navy, taking a cue from…oh wait, NO OTHER MAJOR RETAILER EVER, is launching a line of rainbow-themed Pride shirts next Monday. Four designs will be available, sized for men, women and babies. And Old Navy will donate 10% of the proceeds to the It Gets Better Project (aka the source of all those YouTube videos that make you bawl your eyes out).
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Good idea, lame designs
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that's nifty. kinda tempted to see if my mom can pick up a shirt for me since i don't know how long they'll have them in store.
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Objections fly with rainbow flag (OneNewsNow.com)



President Obama has declared June "Lesbian, Gay, Bisexual, and Transgender Pride Month" -- and to the dismay of a pro-family group based in Richmond, Virginia, the Federal Reserve Bank is joining in the celebration.

Though The Family Foundation's new office in Richmond has a beautiful view of the state capitol and the flags, the rainbow flag fluttering above the Federal Reserve Bank of Richmond is also in view. Foundation president Victoria Cobb does not expect it to fly away any time soon.

"Our expectation is it'll be flying all month," she predicts. "We think the Federal Reserve ought to be focused on the economy rather than focusing on special rights."

The Federal Reserve is a private operation and is not government run, but Cobb points out that it is simply following the nation's leadership in promoting a lifestyle that involves less than two percent of the population.

Meanwhile, the Mississippi-based American Family Association has received a complaint from a Federal Reserve employee who objects to the flag and what it represents. In reference to the "gay pride" flag flying just below the American flag, the employee wrote in an email: "For the past five or six years, the homosexual agenda has been pushed down our throats. [The bank president and vice president] have initiated this agenda. This offends me as a Christian."


According to Cobb, more than just bank employees are offended. "We know of businesses that are actually housed within the Federal Reserve building that I [bet] are very unhappy today," she suggests. "So it's going to be interesting to get the feedback from them."

But aside from the workers, she says the flag flies in the face of most Virginians. "In Virginia, this is not a stand that should be taken. We've as a state said we are not going to support gay marriage, for example, in our constitution, and we've been very clear on issues of gay rights," the pro-family advocate notes. "So it's disappointing to see such a large flag flying, as if it's something that this commonwealth supports."

In an interview with the website Richmond.com, Sally Green -- identified as the bank's chief operating officer -- says the institution "strongly support[s] a diverse and inclusive culture" and has "learned it is important to value and embrace differences -- both seen and unseen. We are flying the 'Pride' flag as an example of our commitment to values of acceptance and inclusion."

According to that report, PRISM -- an employee LGBT group within the bank -- requested the flag be flown. Richmond.com says the flag is expected to be flown all month.
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"For the past five or six years, the homosexual agenda has been pushed down our throats. [The bank president and vice president] have initiated this agenda. This offends me as a Christian."

your stupid, asshole comments offend me. nothing "pro-family" about them.
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"For the past five or six years, the homosexual agenda has been pushed down our throats."
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What's the "straight pride" flag look like?
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