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Old 10-26-2016, 09:58 PM   #121
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They need to be crushed.


Electorally, absolutely.

But not when it comes to actual governance.
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I don't know; they're seriously threatening to withhold SCOTUS confirmations for the bext four years. They need to be made irrelevant and powerless.


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I don't know; they're seriously threatening to withhold SCOTUS confirmations for the bext four years. They need to be made irrelevant and powerless.


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Let them marginalize and ghettoize themselves. A crushing electoral victory will hopefully send a message that obstruction is not the way to retain power. It's already becoming effectively a party of white identity politics, the Romney faction may permanently split (or the Trump TV crowd may).

I just don't think we need to Treaty of Versailles a political party.
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this might be the dumbest post you've ever made, and that's saying something.

i'm getting really damn sick of this insinuation that somehow a hillary presidency is going to spell doom for america, just in a different way than trump would. "the worst candidate ever", "she's evil", "further despair", like seriously, fuck off. you clearly don't know what true "evil" is, and if you think she's even in the bottom 100 of worst candidates ever then you might as well just post "i know nothing at all about american history" because you're broadcasting that you're a complete idiot. george wallace? andrew jackson? you honestly think she's that much worse than any of the idiots who ran for the GOP nomination this time? hell fucking no. "evil", jesus tapdancing christ. like she's just the white lady version of robert fucking mugabe (or idi amin, or pol pot, or whatever other corrupt tinpot third-world dictator) or someshit. it's so goddam asinine that i instantly lose all respect for the intelligence of a person who seriously thinks that way, because it's absolutely fucking brain-dead stupid.
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There are valid criticisms of Hillary but calling her evil is the luxury of a person who has been lucky enough not to experience real evil in life.

As an aside I know people like to jump on BMP here but he is right about one thing - the GOP has become the party of no compromise. Candidly they have been better at digging in their heels since the gerrymandering. To get anything done you really do need to bend WAY too far in their direction. All the more reason to vote D up and down the ticket and hopefully crush them.
These, pretty much.

There is some merit in the argument that the fixation on Trump obscures Hillary's flaws, but ironically I think many of the people who pursue that line of argument obscure Hillary's flaws too. Legitimate critiques are lost within the wailing and gnashing of teeth about her being practically the Apocalypse, proudly sponsored by Big Business. Disagreement with any of her stances does not require depicting her as the devil, or as on the same level as Trump when she quite obviously is not. So instead of an actual debate about real shortcomings, we just have loud shouting about imagined evil.
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Alright. Cool, man.
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yea, a politician said it's nice having the support of people with money. stop the fucking presses so we can tell everyone about this new development - wealth brings political influence. shocking.
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Let them marginalize and ghettoize themselves. A crushing electoral victory will hopefully send a message that obstruction is not the way to retain power. It's already becoming effectively a party of white identity politics, the Romney faction may permanently split (or the Trump TV crowd may).

I just don't think we need to Treaty of Versailles a political party.
You're usually right about these things and far more rational about them than I am.

I still won't vote for one. (I may never have to here in Cali. )
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yea, a politician said it's nice having the support of people with money. stop the fucking presses so we can tell everyone about this new development - wealth brings political influence. shocking.
Well sure I guess, though these kind of spats show just how far the window has drifted, even among vaguely left/centre-left people.

Do you know what Franklin Delano Roosevelt said about the extremely rich of his era? "I welcome their hatred."
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different times were different.
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Let them marginalize and ghettoize themselves. A crushing electoral victory will hopefully send a message that obstruction is not the way to retain power. It's already becoming effectively a party of white identity politics, the Romney faction may permanently split (or the Trump TV crowd may).

I just don't think we need to Treaty of Versailles a political party.
I don't agree with this. Never rely on your opponent to "marginalise and ghettoise themselves". Do it for them.
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Electorally, absolutely.

But not when it comes to actual governance.
They won't compromise. I don't get why people are blind to this or act like I'm being a dick when it comes to this sort of thing.

I'm totally down with finding the middle ground with Republicans on minimum wage, immigration, etc. The problem is that there is no middle ground. They refuse to budge. You've had eight years of their obstructionism to paint this truth for you time and again.

As I've said for about the dozenth time in this thread, I am for compromise. It's not my way or the highway when it comes to governing. They won't compromise, therefore, there is nothing Clinton or any Democratic President could do to accomplish anything left leaning. It's an absolute fact.
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Tell me again, folks, how the hard left and the hard right can't be compared.

Just switch the words out and you get something right out of the mouths of the more deplorable parts of the talk radio swamp.
Seriously, go take a critical thinking class if you can't understand where I'm coming from here.
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Right-ho, you sure told me, man!
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There seems to be a tendency in here to say "oh all politicians are tied up with money". "oh all politicians are strategic" regarding Hillary. To wave away legitimate issues. I agree with Peef in that once Trump loses and Hillary goes out on her own, the positivity might wear off fairly quickly.
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Seriously, go take a critical thinking class if you can't understand where I'm coming from here.


Seriously, go look at what you wrote and tell me you aren't advocating the kind of obstructionism of which you're criticizing the right.
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I don't agree with this. Never rely on your opponent to "marginalise and ghettoise themselves". Do it for them.


One could say that the Obama "give 'em enough rope" theory is what has gotten us to this point -- the GOP facing the biggest electoral defeat in a generation, and the discrediting of the entire party in the minds of many, many voters.
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How many innocent people get damaged in that strategy? Sure it'll be great if he gets destroyed but how many Muslims have been bashed by white nationalists throughout his campaign?


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How many innocent people get damaged in that strategy? Sure it'll be great if he gets destroyed but how many Muslims have been bashed by white nationalists throughout his campaign?


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I'm not sure I understand. Like, actual bashing? Or, does provoking Trump to attack the Khan family actually work to create more sympathy and understanding for Muslims because he's such a raging asshole and these are literally the most sympathetic people alive and we see actual Muslim bashing as it happens? I saw Hillary's Kahn ad (which I'll try to find) the other morning and was honestly in tears at the end of it. When we see actual Muslim bashing in the media, a somewhat abstract concept is made very real, and most normal people -- maybe people who have never met a Muslim -- are going to say, "oh, well, I want no part in that." Though it came at some political cost, there was also benefit to using the "deplorable" line. Donald Trump and his supporters really do support deplorable ideas and policies.

When it comes to governance, I don't think Obama has been passive, or hasn't fought for legislation, or hasn't hit back against critics, or isn't twisting the knife in these final few weeks of his presidency.

What he's done is be patient, play the long game, and build what has been a very successful presidency. Not perfect, there's plenty of room for criticism, and we're all depressed that the GOP is a suicide cult. But change has happened.
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Martin Shkreli has promised to release his copy of the unreleased Wu Tang album if Trump wins. So maybe there's reason to vote for Trump after all
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Martin Shkreli has promised to release his copy of the unreleased Wu Tang album if Trump wins. So maybe there's reason to vote for Trump after all

It was him? HE bought the album?
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