The Bigly 2016 US Presidential Election Thread, Part XV

[Irvine511]

Originally Posted by Oregoropa

Northern Virginia and Metro Maryland are different than an average metro. Trump is perceived as threat to the DC power structure and would upset the apple cart if elected. These lobbyist, bureaucrats may prefer the status quo regardless of party, based on their own self-interest.

I live here. You're very, very far off.

[BVS]

Originally Posted by Oregoropa

Plus we have never had an October surprise like this one. Everything is in flux, with very little for the Clinton camp to start making inroads into.

You are loyal to the army, that's for sure.

But your exposure to Breitbart world has you affected.

Do you really think this "October surprise" has any effect beyond the Fox News crowd?




Sent from my iPhone using U2 Interference

[Oregoropa]

Originally Posted by LuckyNumber7

I have very strong ties to DC, and I lived in Virginia. The notion that greater-DC in Maryland has a pull on the entire state in a world where this isn't the case anywhere else... wouldn't go down like that. You're vastly overestimating greater-DC Maryland and simply underestimating DC-NOVA, at that.

Being in the population is more telling. I concede to you that point, LN7 and Irvine

- I lived several years in Las Vegas and I strongly feel NV will go to Trump by a comfortable margin. Washoe County (Reno) has been solidly in Trumps column and is a bellwether county for the state. The entire economy of NV revolves around the health of the gaming industry, and thusly the pocketbooks of Americans coming to visit the gambling Mecca. Employees in Vegas are mostly stuck working for corporate conglomerates like Caesars which owns a bulk of the strip Casinos. So many are on a quest to get to a Wynn property, where they are treated much better. They view Trump as a Wynn type personality. And he has Wynn's support.

- I currently reside in Northeastern Pennsylvania. My family comes from Polish-Lithuanian immigrants who settled in the Wyoming Valley (Wilkes-Barre Scranton) in the 1890s. Luzerne County PA is the only county in the USA with a plurality of Polish heritage. These are legacy blue collar Democrats. Unionized. My grandparents were Democrats because they grew up with FDR, continuing to Kennedy. Always viewed the GOP as the enemy of the working man. I was in a bar in 2009 when the loyalty was still unbroken. Even heard a guy loudly proclaim "Yeah, I voted for that n*****, lets see what he can do" The leftward lurch of the party has left these Rust Belt voters without an identity over the past several years. That is until Trump came on the scene, a republican that spoke to the working man. Like Washoe County, Luzerne is a bellwether indicator of how the state will go. Both counties were polled in July as part of a Battleground Survey. Luzerne registered +23 Trump. PA will not be plus that big a margin, but Wilkes-Barre/Scranton is custom made for Trump. You can find Rust Belt metros analogous to WB throughout the Midwest and Great Lakes.

- Lived in Southern NJ throughout my youth. NJ is a strange state if you have ever been here. The South and North are like oil and water, because they are in different media spheres of influence (NYC and Philly). New Jersey actually prides itself on telling it like it is and trash talk. Christie got 60% in 2013 case in point. Trump has been in the public consciousness of Jerseyeans for 30 years. Mostly in a positive light. Many good works in NYC. He built up AC during the 80s. Everybody in South Jersey knew that AC needed to retract and or reinvent itself to survive. His pulling out was confirmation of the prevailing reality. Now we have a beautiful 700 foot Revel Casino that lies empty because dumb investors couldn't read the tea leaves. Getting off topic.

In state government NJ tends to alternate GOP and Democrats. They know all too well about corruption/scandal from both sides especially Corzine/McGreevy and Bridgegate. There are very strong Republican counties in different parts of the state. Indian-Americans are strongly behind Trump and have a sizeable population. Don't be shocked if NJ is close. They may roll the dice on a braggadocios Businessman they have known for 30 years over the corruption they have grown to loathe at a statewide level.

- Lived in Oregon 2003-2009. Resort city of Bend in a republican county. In 2000 Bush lost Oregon by less than 2 points IIRC. After that there was a great migration of Californians into the state and it became more liberal, but still remains the reddest of the Pacific Coast states. Custom made for the Bernie vision of an Ecotopia from Portland to Eugene. There is very little connection to Hillary. Have seen very liberal friends disgusted by Hillary that plan to write in Bernie. You dampen Hillary support in Portland and Eugene and the state becomes much more competitive. Outside of those two areas the state looks more like an Iowa electorate.

[Headache in a Suitcase]

Originally Posted by deep

I really hate the Electoral College, it is about as legitimate as dueling and slavery and brought to you by people that practiced the same.

Like the 2nd amendment?

[Diemen]

(Just so we're clear, if you decide you're going to troll with assassination dreams & racist & sexist musings, then you get a week's vacation from this forum - minimum.)

[DaveC]

Originally Posted by Diemen

(Just so we're clear, if you decide you're going to troll with assassination dreams & racist & sexist musings, then you get a week's vacation from this forum - minimum.)

oh dear god diemen please tell me he's been banned for the next week.

[deep]

If Trump somehow wins
This is why it happened.

[bono_212]

No. It's not.

[womanfish]

Originally Posted by Oregoropa

Being in the population is more telling. I concede to you that point, LN7 and Irvine

- I lived several years in Las Vegas and I strongly feel NV will go to Trump by a comfortable margin. Washoe County (Reno) has been solidly in Trumps column and is a bellwether county for the state. The entire economy of NV revolves around the health of the gaming industry, and thusly the pocketbooks of Americans coming to visit the gambling Mecca. Employees in Vegas are mostly stuck working for corporate conglomerates like Caesars which owns a bulk of the strip Casinos. So many are on a quest to get to a Wynn property, where they are treated much better. They view Trump as a Wynn type personality. And he has Wynn's support.

- I currently reside in Northeastern Pennsylvania. My family comes from Polish-Lithuanian immigrants who settled in the Wyoming Valley (Wilkes-Barre Scranton) in the 1890s. Luzerne County PA is the only county in the USA with a plurality of Polish heritage. These are legacy blue collar Democrats. Unionized. My grandparents were Democrats because they grew up with FDR, continuing to Kennedy. Always viewed the GOP as the enemy of the working man. I was in a bar in 2009 when the loyalty was still unbroken. Even heard a guy loudly proclaim "Yeah, I voted for that n*****, lets see what he can do" The leftward lurch of the party has left these Rust Belt voters without an identity over the past several years. That is until Trump came on the scene, a republican that spoke to the working man. Like Washoe County, Luzerne is a bellwether indicator of how the state will go. Both counties were polled in July as part of a Battleground Survey. Luzerne registered +23 Trump. PA will not be plus that big a margin, but Wilkes-Barre/Scranton is custom made for Trump. You can find Rust Belt metros analogous to WB throughout the Midwest and Great Lakes.

- Lived in Southern NJ throughout my youth. NJ is a strange state if you have ever been here. The South and North are like oil and water, because they are in different media spheres of influence (NYC and Philly). New Jersey actually prides itself on telling it like it is and trash talk. Christie got 60% in 2013 case in point. Trump has been in the public consciousness of Jerseyeans for 30 years. Mostly in a positive light. Many good works in NYC. He built up AC during the 80s. Everybody in South Jersey knew that AC needed to retract and or reinvent itself to survive. His pulling out was confirmation of the prevailing reality. Now we have a beautiful 700 foot Revel Casino that lies empty because dumb investors couldn't read the tea leaves. Getting off topic.

In state government NJ tends to alternate GOP and Democrats. They know all too well about corruption/scandal from both sides especially Corzine/McGreevy and Bridgegate. There are very strong Republican counties in different parts of the state. Indian-Americans are strongly behind Trump and have a sizeable population. Don't be shocked if NJ is close. They may roll the dice on a braggadocios Businessman they have known for 30 years over the corruption they have grown to loathe at a statewide level.

- Lived in Oregon 2003-2009. Resort city of Bend in a republican county. In 2000 Bush lost Oregon by less than 2 points IIRC. After that there was a great migration of Californians into the state and it became more liberal, but still remains the reddest of the Pacific Coast states. Custom made for the Bernie vision of an Ecotopia from Portland to Eugene. There is very little connection to Hillary. Have seen very liberal friends disgusted by Hillary that plan to write in Bernie. You dampen Hillary support in Portland and Eugene and the state becomes much more competitive. Outside of those two areas the state looks more like an Iowa electorate.

Not even sure where to begin with this nonsense. Where are you getting your NV numbers? Washoe County has Dems with an early voting average 9% higher than they had in 2012.

NJ??? Not even worth a response on that one.

I also lived in Bend, OR. If you in any way think that Oregon will go red, in any even alternate universe, then I will please take some of the drugs you got.

carry on

[womanfish]

Waiting for the media shock on Tuesday night, when the hidden Clinton voters (reasonable republican) show their hand.

[Diemen]

Originally Posted by DaveC

oh dear god diemen please tell me he's been banned for the next week.

I prefer the term forced vacation.

[womanfish]

Current "Clinton News Network" discussion.

"Hillary Clinton, Do you like her? Hate her? or viscerally hate her? Let's discuss with our panel"

[Hewson]

Originally Posted by Diemen

I prefer the term forced vacation.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=72u0-D5JJ_k

[Headache in a Suitcase]

There idea that Trump is thought of positively in the Atlantic City area is one of the most laughable things every posted on Interference.

And he did not get out cause he "read the tea leaves." He left after going bankrupt four times. That's not reading tea leaves. That's being terrible at what you do.

But he did manage to reduce his own personal fiancial risk and lay it all on the city and his former workers. What a guy.

[Irvine511]

here it is, spelled out for you:

This is what we now know. Donald Trump is the first candidate for president who seems to have little understanding of or reverence for constitutional democracy and presents himself as a future strongman. This begins with his character — if that word could possibly be ascribed to his disturbed, unstable, and uncontrollable psyche. He has revealed himself incapable of treating other people as anything but instruments to his will. He seems to have no close friends, because he can tolerate no equals. He never appears to laugh, because that would cede a recognition to another’s fleeting power over him. He treats his wives and his children as mere extensions of his power, and those who have resisted the patriarch have been exiled, humiliated, or bought off.

His relationship to men — from his school days to the primary campaign — is rooted entirely in dominance and mastery, through bullying, intimidation, and, if necessary, humiliation. His relationship to women is entirely a function of his relationship to men: Women are solely a means to demonstrate his superiority in the alpha-male struggle. Women are to be pursued, captured, used, assaulted, or merely displayed to other men as an indication of his superiority. His response to any difficult relationship is to end it, usually by firing or humiliating or ruining someone. His core, motivating idea is the punishment or mockery of the weak and reverence for the strong. He cannot apologize or accept responsibility for failure. He has long treated the truth as entirely instrumental to his momentary personal interests. Setbacks of any kind can only be assuaged by vindictive, manic revenge.

He has no concept of a non-zero-sum engagement, in which a deal can be beneficial for both sides. A win-win scenario is intolerable to him, because mastery of others is the only moment when he is psychically at peace. (This is one reason why he cannot understand the entire idea of free trade or, indeed, NATO, or the separation of powers.) In any conflict, he cannot ever back down; he must continue to up the ante until the danger to everyone around him is so great as to demand their surrender. From his feckless business deals and billion-dollar debts to his utter indifference to the damage he has done to those institutions unfortunate enough to engage him, he has shown no concern for the interests of other human beings. Just ask the countless people he has casually fired, or the political party he has effectively destroyed. He has violated and eroded the core norms that make liberal democracy possible — because such norms were designed precisely to guard against the kind of tyrannical impulses and pathological narcissism he personifies.

Anyone paying attention knew this before he conquered the Republican Party. Look at what has happened since then. He sees the judicial system as entirely subordinate to his political and personal interests, and impugned a federal judge for his ethnicity. He has accused the Justice Department and FBI of a criminal conspiracy to protect Hillary Clinton. He has refused to accept in advance the results of any election in which he loses. He has openly argued for government persecution of newspapers that oppose him — pledging to open up antitrust prosecution against the Washington Post, for example. He is the first candidate in American history to subject the press pool to mob hatred — “disgusting, disgusting people” — and anti-Semitic poison from his foulest supporters. He is the first candidate in American history to pledge to imprison his election opponent if he wins power. He has mused about using nuclear weapons in regional wars. He has celebrated police powers that openly deploy racial profiling. His favorite foreign leader is a man who murders journalists, commits war crimes, uses xenophobia and warfare to cement his political standing, and believes in the dismemberment of both NATO and the European Union. Nor has he rejected any of his most odious promises during the primary — from torturing prisoners “even if it doesn’t work” to murdering the innocent family members of terror suspects to rounding up several million noncitizens to declaring war on an entire religion, proposing to create a database to monitor its adherents and bar most from entering the country.

We are told we cannot use the term fascist to describe this. I’m at a loss to find a more accurate alternative.

Andrew Sullivan: Trump, America, and the Abyss

[BVS]

Originally Posted by Headache in a Suitcase

There idea that Trump is thought of positively in the Atlantic City area is one of the most laughable things every posted on Interference.

And he did not get out cause he "read the tea leaves." He left after going bankrupt four times. That's not reading tea leaves. That's being terrible at what you do.

It's absolutely scary the alternate reality they are being fed, and actually believe. I just everytime I open up facebook these days because there is this barrage of fantasy being spewed across the pages.

[Headache in a Suitcase]

This is the only argument for Trump that is actually reasonable: SCOTUS.

I can at least get that argument, even if I don't agree with it.

The rest is all bullshit.

[gump]

Hillary is so corrupt!!!!

I mean, her campaign manager just went on national TV to say that her candidate lying about an indictement is not a big deal because "the damage is done".

And one of the key advisers, and possible head of Homeland Security in a new administration, basically conspired with a faction of the FBI to target a presidential candidate.

And a jury just found that aides to the head of the transition team, likely AG in the administration, and earlier top choice for VP, were guilty of conspiracy and fraud for closing down lanes at the George Washington Bridge in an act of political retribution.

How can you vote for her???

Oh wait.

[DaveC]

Originally Posted by Irvine511

here it is, spelled out for you:

i was 100% with this until the very end, when the author just decided to needlessly stick on a label he doesn't know the actual meaning of.

for the millionth friggin time: DONALD TRUMP IS NOT A FASCIST.

[trojanchick99]

Originally Posted by gump

Hillary is so corrupt!!!!

I mean, her campaign manager just went on national TV to say that her candidate lying about an indictement is not a big deal because "the damage is done".

And one of the key advisers, and possible head of Homeland Security in a new administration, basically conspired with a faction of the FBI to target a presidential candidate.

And a jury just found that aides to the head of the transition team, likely AG in the administration, and earlier top choice for VP, were guilty of conspiracy and fraud for closing down lanes at the George Washington Bridge in an act of political retribution.

How can you vote for her???

Oh wait.

Well played.