The Bigly 2016 US Presidential Election Thread, Part XV

[BigMacPhisto]

Originally Posted by LuckyNumber7

While what Bill did isn't merely socially negligible, there's a huge fucking difference between getting a blowjob from a consenting adult while you're married versus going up to someone and sexually assaulting them because you want it. Huuuuuuge difference here. Astronomical. One is a personal issue between two partners. The other is criminal.

Sure, but Clinton has been said to have sexually assaulted and/or raped multiple women that have come forward, so they're basically on the same level.

And again, you can't argue for the legitimacy of Trump being a "child rapist" when Bill Clinton has hung out with the same guy that held the supposed "sex party" and gone to the same "sex island" as the media calls it..

[BigMacPhisto]

Originally Posted by DaveC

yea fucking right. that's why you're almost always the first one in this thread to gleefully tell us about every point she loses or every pseudo-negative news item (big or small, real or fictional) with excited speculation that she's going to be brought down nearly every time, or repeatedly speculate on new potential paths to a trump victory. cause you want him to lose so badly.

we're not as stupid in here as you think we are.

Or I just think she's a garbage candidate and think her primary voters really dropped the ball and that her supporters just love to yell "but look at Trump" whenever she's under any reasonable scrutiny.

Her voters really need to take a look in the mirror and realize they don't understand the pulse of the American people. They were warned time and again by polling that the public at large did not care about her, but they decided to coronate a famous name and think electing the first female President would make it all a slam dunk. It wasn't.

Next time (if she loses) they can stay home and the actual left in the country can make the decision. We already failed miserably with party favorites like Gore and Kerry. It's time for new blood.

[Mrs. Garrison]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=47XG_r0gUF8

this can't be good...

[BVS]

Originally Posted by Mrs. Garrison

this can't be good...

So far Lou Dobbs is the only source on this, but I'd like to see how they explain this.

So you have a server that you've been prying into for months if not over a year; you somehow discovered the number of emails erased but found no trace of such emails(this is nearly impossible according to some of my IT friends), yet at the very last minute you've been able to determine with 99% accuracy the number and the identification of who has hacked into this server.

The BS is at high level with this one, as it usually is with Dobbs.


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[BVS]

Originally Posted by BigMacPhisto

Her voters really need to take a look in the mirror and realize they don't understand the pulse of the American people.

Yet you do? The racist sexist socialist understands the pulse of America? That's laughable, you don't even understand basic economics, or why one early poll didn't mean shit, or why creating monoliths of women and African Americans, etc is ignorant.

You can't figure these things out, yet you have your finger on the pulse of America? There is no emoticon in existence to express the sad hilarity of that statement.


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[Headache in a Suitcase]

Originally Posted by BigMacPhisto

Sure, but Clinton has been said to have sexually assaulted and/or raped multiple women that have come forward, so they're basically on the same level.

And again, you can't argue for the legitimacy of Trump being a "child rapist" when Bill Clinton has hung out with the same guy that held the supposed "sex party" and gone to the same "sex island" as the media calls it..

I didn't realize Bill Clinton was running for President. Thought there were term limits to prevent things like that.

[BigMacPhisto]

Yes, while you're voting Bill Clinton back into the White House you are technically voting for his enabler.

And if we're going to talk about what the American people wants, Trump sure tapped into class resentment and populism fairly well while Hillary took an Obama approval rating of around 56 and managed to drop into the high forties. Just like the primary before this, Clinton merely loses supporters as the cycle wears on and everyone else gains. She just does not connect with the American people, and if early numbers are to be believed, especially black voters.

Dem Strategist: Clinton Should Be In "Panic Mode" Over Enthusiasm Gap With Black Voters, "Nothing She Can Do Now" | Video | RealClearPolitics

[LuckyNumber7]

Originally Posted by BigMacPhisto

Sure, but Clinton has been said to have sexually assaulted and/or raped multiple women that have come forward, so they're basically on the same level.

And again, you can't argue for the legitimacy of Trump being a "child rapist" when Bill Clinton has hung out with the same guy that held the supposed "sex party" and gone to the same "sex island" as the media calls it..

Back up. Go look at the post I'm quoting. Regardless of what you're saying, I was commenting on someone claiming that getting head makes you a sexual predator.

But on them being on the same level. I don't know. Both are seemingly pretty scummy people, that's true. But both of them are very powerful and wealthy people. Both are susceptible to being targets of defamation and blackmail. We don't know which claims are true and which ones aren't. One thing we do know is that Donald Trump himself has admitted to being a sexual predator.

And back up again. I didn't argue anywhere that Trump was a "child rapist," but even if I did, you literally just claimed that Bill Clinton's indirect association with a pedophile is the same thing as being directly accused? Really?

[LuckyNumber7]

Originally Posted by BigMacPhisto

Yes, while you're voting Bill Clinton back into the White House you are technically voting for his enabler.

What is this "enabler" bullshit? You (and anyone who says it) makes it seem like she encouraged him to do this stuff. Please define "enabler."

[Moonlit_Angel]

Originally Posted by LuckyNumber7

What is this "enabler" bullshit? You (and anyone who says it) makes it seem like she encouraged him to do this stuff. Please define "enabler."

I'm curious about this, too. I'd like to know why people are demanding Hillary be held responsible for Bill's actions.

[BigMacPhisto]

Vast right wing conspiracy. Nuff said.

[Caleb8844]

A lot of people believe that HRC was at the forefront of the Clintons' endeavors to intimidate, discredit, and/or slander his accusers. I can't say whether that's true, but that story gets told as though it were proven quite frequently.


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[LuckyNumber7]

Originally Posted by BigMacPhisto

Vast right wing conspiracy. Nuff said.

No no no, you can't just make bullshit claims and then act all 'mightier than thou.' Explain yourself or continue to be ridiculed. You're not smarter than everyone else, so drop the smug attitude.

[DaveC]

Originally Posted by BigMacPhisto

Her voters really need to take a look in the mirror and realize they don't understand the pulse of the American people.

her voters, as in (almost certainly) the majority of the american people, don't "understand the pulse of the american people" (whatever the fuck that's supposed to mean)?

[anitram]

Oregoropa and deep and everyone else who thinks that 12-year-olds talk about grabbing pussies and forcibly kissing women in schoolyards is normal and that walking into women's change rooms to ogle minor children is ok, and that groping multiple women over the years is ok, and talking about dating your sexy daughter is ok, and that checking out 10-year-old children and for potential date-ability down the road is ok, I can only hope that you do not have daughters.

[BigMacPhisto]

Originally Posted by DaveC

her voters, as in (almost certainly) the majority of the american people, don't "understand the pulse of the american people" (whatever the fuck that's supposed to mean)?

You mean a plurality of the 52% or so voting age individuals that will actually bother to vote. And that's if she wins.

But no, it's not like her policies or anything she's done has really resonated with people and excited them to vote for her. They mostly want to stop Trump.

[VintagePunk]

Originally Posted by anitram

Oregoropa and deep and everyone else who thinks that 12-year-olds talk about grabbing pussies and forcibly kissing women in schoolyards is normal and that walking into women's change rooms to ogle minor children is ok, and that groping multiple women over the years is ok, and talking about dating your sexy daughter is ok, and that checking out 10-year-old children and for potential date-ability down the road is ok, I can only hope that you do not have daughters.

Or come into contact with anyone else's daughters. That's not a belief system or set of values that any young woman should be exposed to.

[LuckyNumber7]

Originally Posted by BigMacPhisto

You mean a plurality of the 52% or so voting age individuals that will actually bother to vote. And that's if she wins.

But no, it's not like her policies or anything she's done has really resonated with people and excited them to vote for her. They mostly want to stop Trump.

BACK IT UP. STOP TALKING OUT OF YOUR ASS. ARE YOU CLAIMING THAT CHILDRENS' OPINIONS ARE RELEVANT???

You can't back anything you ever say up. You don't understand statistics, either.

[Moonlit_Angel]

Originally Posted by Caleb8844

A lot of people believe that HRC was at the forefront of the Clintons' endeavors to intimidate, discredit, and/or slander his accusers. I can't say whether that's true, but that story gets told as though it were proven quite frequently.

And until there actually is sufficient enough proof to show that happened, people need to quit spreading it around like it's fact. If there's legit evidence claiming she went on a big campaign to do that, the people claiming such a thing need to show it. If not, then they need to drop it and quit blaming her for Bill's actions.

I also think people also need to take into account that a woman who's: a) learned of her husband's infidelity and is having to watch the whole mess play out in the public eye; b) being scrutinized about her marriage and having to listen to all sorts of gossip and rumors; and c) listen to armchair "marriage experts" talk about what she "should/should not do" as a wife and mother in response to finding out about her husband's behavior may lash out in anger as a result, and a wife wanting to believe her husband is innocent of whatever he's being accused of should not exactly be a shocking response.

If she did indeed contribute to a concentrated effort to take down Bill's accusers, I completely agree that that would be wrong. But if the most she's done is make a few snippy comments about some of Bill's accusers, which seems to be about all I have managed to find thus far in regards to this supposed rumor, it's not a good way to respond to the situation, no, but it doesn't exactly rise to the level of a full on campaign to discredit and intimidate the other women. And it still doesn't make her responsible for Bill's shit. The person who is actually being accused of the crime is the one who needs to be held responsible.

(I'd also be interested to see how people would've reacted had she actually divorced Bill. Sure, there'd be plenty of people who would support her, but considering the Republicans' constant harping on and on about "traditional family values", don't even try and tell me some of them wouldn't turn around and criticize her for not "standing by her man" or some such BS. Don't tell me there wouldn't be people making stupid assumptions about a single woman running for president. She wouldn't be able to win either way in some people's eyes on that front.)

[Vlad n U 2]

Originally Posted by BVS

Yet you do? The racist sexist socialist understands the pulse of America? That's laughable, you don't even understand basic economics, or why one early poll didn't mean shit, or why creating monoliths of women and African Americans, etc is ignorant.

You can't figure these things out, yet you have your finger on the pulse of America? There is no emoticon in existence to express the sad hilarity of that statement.


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BMP is a socialist now? News to me.