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Old 01-08-2007, 08:12 PM   #1
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The anti-smoking thread

We've had a few pro-smoking threads here so maybe it's time for an anti-smoking thread, hmmm?

I have pains in my chest pretty much all the time.

I get heart palpitations from the nicotine gum I have to chew to keep myself from smoking.

I am paranoid about getting cancer.

Before I started smoking, I needed only 6 hours sleep a night as a smoker I needed at least 8 (and still felt tired).

I am still addicted to nicotine and sometimes I think I always will be.

I am 33 years of age.

It needed to be said.
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So, since the libertarian thread turned into an anti-smoking thread, does that mean this thread is going to be about libertarians???

i'm STILL confused!
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I still can't believe people even start smoking nowadays.
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Re: The anti-smoking thread

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I have pains in my chest pretty much all the time.
I just want to clarify, to avoid appearing melodramatic, I have had tests done and have no cardiac problems or anything, yet I do get chest pains which personally I blame on smoking (what else could have caused them?)
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So, since the libertarian thread turned into an anti-smoking thread, does that mean this thread is going to be about libertarians???

Maybe now I'll find out what they really believe in...
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My dad just turned 50 and he's already had a major tumor removed from his jaw and a smaller one removed from his back. The one taken from his jaw was supposed to leave half of his face paralyzed (no ability to smile), but he got lucky. He develops pneumonia easily. He still smokes a pack a day. If that new shot works out, my mom is making him get it. He's already blowing thousands of dollars a year on ciggs when they can barely make their house payment.

My grandpa has had four major heart attacks, the last one putting him in a coma for a while.

Both of these experiences have left me so shocked and disgusted, I don't think I can bring myself to ever smoke a single cigg. There's just no point. It's unhealthy from the first drag.
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I still can't believe people even start smoking nowadays.
That's always the most shocking to me too.
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Cripes. Well on the positive side it encouraged you not to start.
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That's always the most shocking to me too.
Given the number of celebrities, rock stars, etc, that smoke and given that tobacco advertising is still legal in many parts of the world, including many US states, it is not at all surprising.
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Given the number of celebrities, rock stars, etc, that smoke and given that tobacco advertising is still legal in many parts of the world, including many US states, it is not at all surprising.
I don't buy that as an excuse for why people smoke.
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I don't buy that as an excuse for why people smoke.
What is your alternative hypothesis?
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Women who smoke are such a turn off.
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Given the number of celebrities, rock stars, etc, that smoke and given that tobacco advertising is still legal in many parts of the world, including many US states, it is not at all surprising.
Actually, like weight issues for girls, drinking, and other things that seem to crop up in teens and early 20s, I think friends/peers are a much more significant influence. Like I said my dad already has plenty of health complications from smoking. My little sister and I won't touch tobacco with a ten foot pole, and we're the ones that watch TV, keep up on popular music, read celeb rags, etc. My brother - he's pretty out of that loop, but he's been smoking since he was 15. Why? His friends do. When he's not around his friends, he doesn't smoke. Since he now lives and works with his friends, they all smoke.
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Women who smoke are such a turn off.
Yes

just the thought of a woman taking something in her hand
and putting it in her mouth

a complete turn off
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I'm really disappointed that one of my friends has taken up smoking. He's just 19 and he says it's only a social thing and he doesn't smoke regularly. I'm sure we've all heard that one before ...

Smoking is repulsive and there are no two ways around it. I'm delighted at the anti-smoking laws that have been passed recently. Now I can actually go and watch rugby on the big screen at a local pub and not come home stinking of someone else's filthy habit.
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I started smoking a few years ago because my neighbour and friend did. We would spend many a night in her converted garage playing pool, playing music, gossiping, talking, hanging out. She smoked, and after a while I began to slowly, too. My parents were smokers, most friends smoked, it was a natural progression for me. I dont know if or when I ever made a conscious decision, though I must have at some point. I gradually smoked more and and more until I was nearly at half a pack a day at one point. To be honest though, I dont know if I ever became fully addicted. I never smoked at work or in the mornings. Never around people who didn't smoke. Never smoked in public. I kept it to how I first started; in the evenings, relaxing, or whatever. Anyway, years passed (I was 16 or 18 when this all began), and about 18 months ago I was watching tv with those ads that are shown in abundance here, and the one with the dr saying "I cant operate" in contrast to the smoker saying "I cant quit" got to me. I stopped instantly. I did not have another cigarette until the Christmas just gone, when I bought a pack about 3 weeks ago now. Stress from uni and the drinking season was what I put it down to. I managed to get through 3 in the pack before finally 'donating' them to a mate. They are vile. I couldn't finish them. It makes me wonder why and how I ever started, but that is neither here nor there now. I dont smoke now and will never do it again. I'm thrilled at that. I wont be a smoker again. I cant do it. I've jumped on the reformed smoker bandwagon. when I die, it wont be from smoking related causes.
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My great-grandfather died of a heart attack because he smoked
My grandfather (mom's dad) got lung cancer and died over a year or so because he smoked a pipe. In the end he died of stomach complications because he took massive amounts of excedrin to deal with the pain of his lung cancer.
My grandmother (dad's mom) got lung cancer which spread to her brain and died seeing animals coming out of the walls, because she smoked.
I mentioned these next two in the libertarian thread, but my brother has some nasty asthma and allergies because my parents smoked all through our childhood.
I have lesser asthma, and when I was little had a chronic sinus infection because my parents smoked. It left scarring in my sinuses that means on most days the smallest change in air pressure gives me a headache, which unfortunately triggers a migraine. I get about 4-5 a week if I don't take medication.
Both my parents have quit in the last few years, but my dad (he's 50) has COPD now and probably won't be able to do anything athletic again.
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As someone who is allergic to tobacco and can't breathe around cigarette smoke, I'm all for an anti-smoking thread.

Some people cry "smokers rights!"

No. Your right to smoke infringes on my right to breathe clean air and you can go shove your cig up your bum.
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Some people cry "smokers rights!"

No. Your right to smoke infringes on my right to breathe clean air and you can go shove your cig up your bum.
What I don't get is why libertarians aren't all for anti-smoking laws, as their pro-smoking arguments seem to boil down to "I should be allowed to smoke if I want to!" In actual fact, arguments in both directions employ the same "I should have the liberty to do what I want!" logic, with the 'do what I want' in one case being smoking and in the other case being breathing clean air. However, this is the primary pro-smoking argument, while it is just one of multiple primary anti-smoking arguments. The anti-smoking side has a stronger case and involves the "I should have the liberty to do what I want!" logic the libertarians like to use.

I was also under the impression that you were only free to do something as long as it did not cause others serious harm. I think giving people asthma attacks is quite good enough reason to argue against public smoking at the very least.
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