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Old 06-27-2007, 02:16 PM   #81
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Because it doesn't work, and there is a finality to the perpetuator's crime.
Some convicted murderers serving life have gotten out for good behavior and killed again, some condemned killers have escaped and killed again.

Some killers who initially got sentenced with "no possiblity of parole" later petitioned their sentences were then released later for good behavior and went out and killed again.

As far as going round and round on the other issues, time constraints limit anymore dialouging at the present.

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As far as rehashing other things, I won't.
Well, that's a real shame because I'd like to hear some specific examples of the above having happened.
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diamond, after that essay you wrote on the evils of racism, are you comfortable knowing that a black man is far more likely to be sentenced to death by a white jury than a white man who has committed the same crime?
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Old 06-27-2007, 02:50 PM   #83
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some of you do not have the intellectual bandwidth nor girth to wrap your brain around the wisdom of my posts.

and irvine you know better to put up a weak argument like that

if u have money to defend yourself, whether you're black white or purple, you usually are able to avoid the DP.
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Christ never said there should be no death penalty.
C'mon, that statement is ridiculous. Did Christ really have to say every single crime that is wrong for you to be sure? Christ never said a lot of things. He spoke in generalities, hoping we people of earth would have the common sense to realize what he's talking about. As Lies said, Christ never said not to kick an animal out of fury, does that mean we can?

If you think people deserve finality, that's fine, but there's no biblical backing for it. Biblical backing would be things Christ does say, not doesn't say.

"Thou shalt not kill."
"Let him who is without sin be the first to cast a stone."
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And I understand your point, it's a very good point, and that's why one has to absolutely certain that the person being put to death is guilty of the crime.
I have no problem with DNA evidence vindicating a condemned prisoner.

There is no way to absolutely know if this person was guilty, even with DNA, so your whole argument is shot.
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And I understand your point, it's a very good point, and that's why one has to absolutely certain that the person being put to death is guilty of the crime.
I have no problem with DNA evidence vindicating a condemned prisoner.

For the ppl that were wrongly put the death, that responsibility falls on the prosecutor's shoulder, he or she will have to answer for the innocent lives they took, what they knew, and what they did. Not a pretty sight for some prosecutors in the hereafter.

The flip side of the argument is that there have been convicted murderers that after having served their sentence went out and killed again. What do you say about that?
That wouldn't have happened if the were put to death in the first place.
Wow.

The fact that our justice system is based around the idea that things are "beyond a reasonable doubt" as opposed to "an absolute certainty" speaks volumes about the problems with that statement.

And to state that every instance of an innocent man found guilty is a result of prosecutor lies is just as obsurd.

And to that I say, that's why we have life without parole.
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some of you do not have the intellectual bandwidth nor girth to wrap your brain around the wisdom of my posts.
That's pretty insulting, when there are plenty, me included, who find your statements to not be filled with wisdom.

I'm 16 years old by the way.
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if u have money to defend yourself, whether you're black white or purple, you usually are able to avoid the DP.


so ... why continue to suppor the death penalty if it only applies to poor people?
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some of you do not have the intellectual bandwidth nor girth to wrap your brain around the wisdom of my posts.
That's because your wisdom "infra-wisdom" to us.
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so ... why continue to suppor the death penalty if it only applies to poor people?
i can't be responsible for a flawed system, nor the improper use of free will by rich ppl.

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i can't be responsible for a flawed system, nor the improper use of free will by rich ppl.

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If you admit the system is flawed, why support it?
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some of you do not have the intellectual bandwidth nor girth to wrap your brain around the wisdom of my posts.

if u have money to defend yourself, whether you're black white or purple, you usually are able to avoid the DP.
Once again you go off on your hypocritical insults... how typical.

And to defend something that mostly effects poor people and admitting that, just digs your hole of hypocricy even deeper.

And I'm figuring that since you haven't responded to any of my questions you either have no means of countering them or have me blocked, either way it's a shame.
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some of you do not have the intellectual bandwidth nor girth to wrap your brain around the wisdom of my posts.
Can you post some arguments in favor of the DP without quoting Scripture or using emotionally biased language? I've got plenty of bandwidth, but I've also got a firewall that denies information that is not relevant.
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i can't be responsible for a flawed system, nor the improper use of free will by rich ppl.

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why not oppose the system?

who's responsibility is it, then?
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w/that logic we'd all be protesting about every flaw in every system...and there would be complete anarchy.

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Nice, black and white.

There's something between protesting everything and protesting nothing at all.
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The fact that our justice system is based around the idea that things are "beyond a reasonable doubt" as opposed to "an absolute certainty" speaks volumes about the problems with that statement.
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That's why it's not a good idea to always read the law as black-and-white.
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w/that logic we'd all be protesting about every flaw in every system...and there would be complete anarchy.

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w/that logic we'd all be protesting about every flaw in every system...and there would be complete anarchy.

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Just because people protest flaws in the system doesn't mean they want to overthrow the system. Maybe they just want to fix it.
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w/that logic we'd all be protesting about every flaw in every system...and there would be complete anarchy.

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Who said anything about protesting? WE are "the people". We don't need to protest ourselves. We can vote for congressmen/women and the attorneys that bring our agendas to the table and we can be responsible and objective (as possible) jurors.
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