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Old 01-27-2005, 03:29 PM   #21
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I love how the two of you couldn't step out of the very narrow interpretation of what you think it shouldn't be and focus on what it really is given the parameters of the discussion.

I wonder if this question was asked to you before Bush made this into a conservative Christian against everyone else debate how you would have answered...
Personally, I answered what it is currently, without editorializing or taking any kind political stance on it, or saying what I think it ought or ought not to be.
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Old 01-27-2005, 03:32 PM   #22
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Personally, I answered what it is currently, without editorializing or taking any kind political stance on it, or saying what I think it ought or ought not to be.
Personally, I think you are trolling. You certainly did not respond in the spirit of my question and secondly, here in Massachusetts, your "definition" is wrong.

Again though, if that is how shallow an interpretation of marriage people have I cannot do anything about it. All I can ask is that you keep the debate over marriage out of this thread, repectfully, and focus on other more important parts of marriage. And if you can't do not respond.
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This is actually a difficult question to answer. In some cultures, marriages can involve more than one spouse. For others, a marriage may not be exclusive ie an open marriage.

Marriage is a commitment of an amount of people who may or may not choose to be sexually and/ or emotionally exclusive.

ummm, hmmmmm

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..... except when it doesn't eg marriages for political reasons etc
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Personally, I think you are trolling.

Your opinion is noted.

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You certainly did not respond in the spirit of my question and secondly, here in Massachusetts, your "definition" is wrong.
If I was in Massachusetts that might have influenced my answer.

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Again though, if that is how shallow an interpretation of marriage people have I cannot do anything about it.
That is the definition as was explained to me by a friend in the legal industry (not in Massachusetts), I just changed part of the wording to meet the response parameter you set.


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All I can ask is that you keep the debate over marriage out of this thread, repectfully, and focus on other more important parts of marriage. And if you can't do not respond.
You asked for a description, you got one. I'm sorry you don't like the one I gave, but when you start a thread, you will not always get answers you like. Often they will veer way off course. As this has apparently done.

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I love how the two of you couldn't step out of the very narrow interpretation of what you think it shouldn't be and focus on what it really is given the parameters of the discussion.

I wonder if this question was asked to you before Bush made this into a conservative Christian against everyone else debate how you would have answered...
Oh, and I would have given you the same answer, as the definition here in California has not changed Pre or Post Bush.

I voted for Kerry by the way.




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Prior to the 19th century, "marriage" was a business merger. A man would marry a woman and enjoy the "dowry" he could get along with it. Hence, mistresses were quite common, because you'd be married to the woman for the property/business reasons and in love with your mistress.

The idea of marriage being about "love" was instituted by leftist Protestants in the 19th century. I guess it worked for most of the Western world, because I don't see many people getting married for the dowry (there are always "golddiggers" though; watch reality TV!).

Nowadays? It's quite simple: people marry for all sorts of reasons, and no one ever asks. Ideally? It would be for love and love alone. If religion is in the way, though, it's because a lot of their theology was written in the pre-19th century mindset. "Love" was, frankly, irrelevant.

The disconnect between the past and present may be why we're in such a conflict over what "marriage" is anymore.

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- Princess Bride
When I was best man at my friends wedding, I gave the Princess Bride toast.

I had the entire room shanting "AS YOU WISH" after I would pretend to be my friends wife asking him to do something.

I thought it went well.
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When I was best man at my friends wedding, I gave the Princess Bride toast.

I had the entire room shanting "AS YOU WISH" after I would pretend to be my friends wife asking him to do something.

I thought it went well.
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1 Samuel 18:1-4 is a great companion to that.

"...that the soul of Jonathan was knit with the soul of David, and Jonathan loved him as his own soul. ... Then Jonathan and David made a covenant, because he loved him as his own soul."

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1 Samuel 18:1-4 is a great companion to that.

"...that the soul of Jonathan was knit with the soul of David, and Jonathan loved him as his own soul. ... Then Jonathan and David made a covenant, because he loved him as his own soul."

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I rather doubt that David and Jonathan had a sexual relationship, as some Bible scholars believe, but this is an interesting contrast with David's, uh, philandering ways later in life.
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What makes a good marriage?

A good marriage must be created.
In the art of marriage the little things are big things.
Never being too old to hold hands.
Having a mutual sense of values and common objectives.
Remembering to say “I love you”.
Never going to sleep angry.
Standing together to face the world.
Forming a circle of love that gathers in the whole family.
Speaking words of appreciation and demonstrating gratitude in thoughtful ways.
Having the capacity to forgive and forget.
Giving each other an atmosphere in which each other can grow.
Finding room for things of the spirit.
Common search for the good and the beautiful in life.
Not only finding the right partner.
Being the right partner.

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A good marriage is made up of...


Two people who take ownership for the good as well as the bad. They are a responsible couple.


Two people believing good wins over bad. They are a hopeful couple.


Two people walking in each other’s shoes. They are an empathic couple.


Two people healing the hurts they don’t deserve. They are a forgiving couple.


Two people living the love they promise. They are a committed couple.
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I rather doubt that David and Jonathan had a sexual relationship, as some Bible scholars believe, but this is an interesting contrast with David's, uh, philandering ways later in life.
Sexual or not is not the point. The language used more than implies that their souls became one and they loved each other.

But OT figures are certainly not role models when it comes to fidelity and conflict resolution. With all the "concubines" and offering of their daughters to get gang raped is not exactly what we have in mind today.

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Oh, and I would have given you the same answer, as the definition here in California has not changed Pre or Post Bush.
Then I agree with Dread, that's a pretty shallow definition of marriage.
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