Ted Turner - Men Should Be Barred From Public Office For 100 Years

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martha said:

I've been wondering that for the last few days. How young men get so charged up with negative, racist, fearful ideas before they're even 25 years old. :scratch:


You left out sexist. It's all womens' fault anyway, Dr. Laura told me that yesterday when I called her about FYM.

I shake my head and wonder what the heck I'm doing here, seriously.
 
It's a bit reminescent of Christine de Pizan, the first professional woman writer, who didn't try to argue that women were equal to men, but rather, emphasized what accomplishments women were able to make.
 
It is absolutely adorable:cute: when some people get flustered and defensive about a fantasy. It is so endearing:heart: to see the attack dogs performing psychological analysis on someone who challenges their sense of order of things. Such outrage at imaginary marginaliization when for so many women it has been a reality. It doesn't take much to threaten you, poor babies. Just a little bit of play.

Men have fucked up as well has having done great and marvelous things. And I assume we will fuck up as well as doing great and marvelous things if we had the chance. We'd probably just do it differently. The question the fantasy poses is how women would do things differently and what benefit that would be to society.

On a whole, women respect the contributions of men to society a whole lot more than men do women's. I can live with most of that although it would be nice to see a little change there. What is infuriating is the real invalidation implied in Macfist's assumption that a man must be utterly self-loathing to appreciate in his head what a woman- run world might be like. A little like the imaginary invalidation he felt by the fantasy scenario but on a grander scale.

I don't make assumptions. We're fundamentally untried at the almost total power men have had since the beginning of time, although we've had important women leaders and considerable background influence. I'm just curious what other people think that some women will bring to the table that some men cannot. You know thinking about another scenario isn't such a dangerous thing, is it, when the chance of what Turner is tongue-in-cheek suggesting is nil?

It doesn't hurt to play outside the playpen now and again. We're not a threat to you. Yet. :evil:
 
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BonosSaint said:
It is absolutely adorable:cute: when some people get flustered and defensive about a fantasy. It is so endearing:heart: to see the attack dogs performing psychological analysis on someone who challenges their sense of order of things. Such outrage at imaginary marginaliization when for so many women it has been a reality. It doesn't take much to threaten you, poor babies. Just a little bit of play.


What is infuriating is the real invalidation implied in Macfist's assumption that a man must be utterly self-loathing to appreciate in his head what a woman- run world might be like. A little like the imaginary invalidation he felt by the fantasy scenario but on a grander scale.


Amen

It's just a real shame that there are so few men here who seem to get that. And sometimes just the silence is deafening.
 
Just so long as it's not Ann Coulter and Dr. Laura running things. We'd be right where we are now (or worse!).
 
Bono's shades said:
Macfistowannabe, do you seriously think Ted Turner is suggesting men be banned from government for real? Silly me, I just thought he was making a bold statement to make a point.
This isn't the first time he's ever advocated a bad idea. And it isn't the first time that left-wing extremists have endorsed an idea just because it's provocative and dumb.

As for Ted and his useful idiots, go ahead and paint us as a bunch of chauvanists who, in your distorted view of reality, hate gender equality. And make sure you use as much dictatorship as possible.

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Let's open our ears for our beloved Ted Turner on...

Anti-Americanism:
"The United States has got some of the dumbest people in the world. I want you to know that we know that."

Sympathy for the Devil:
When Ted Turner went to North Korea, in the tradition of Walter Duranty, he painted a rosey picture of one of the most brutal dictatorships of our time.

"I saw a lot of people over there, they were thin and they were riding bicycles instead of driving in cars, but I didn't see any brutality."

I suppose there's a slim chance that Kim Jong Il doesn't have a fetish for sado-masochism. :shrug:

Playing the Victim of the Media:
"I feel like the Jewish people in Germany in 1942. I know exactly what it is to be rounded up and sent to the East somewhere. Resettled."

Religious "Tolerance":
"I'd rather go to hell. Heaven has got to be boring."

"What are you, a bunch of Jesus freaks? You ought to be working for Fox."

"Christianity is a religion for losers."

Fidel Castro:
"One hell of a guy."


But let's forget all of that, and imagine that he knows what he's talking about this time.

:madspit:
 
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BonoVoxSupastar said:


Do you even read people's responses? I'm getting the impression you don't.
Yes, I do.

BonoVoxSupastar said:
Did you not see the response which you quoted was saying the language was hyperbole?
Why should I have to believe it is? And even if it is, it's rather idiotic nonetheless.
 
MrsSpringsteen said:
I heard he has a diabolical plan to wipe all men off the face of the earth :shh:

Actually right now that sounds great, I'll save James Spader and Bruce and U2
Better ask questions before you shoot. :wink:
 
Macfistowannabe said:
This isn't the first time he's ever advocated a bad idea. And it isn't the first time that left-wing extremists have endorsed an idea just because it's provocative and dumb.

As for Ted and his useful idiots, go ahead and paint us as a bunch of chauvanists who, in your distorted view of reality, hate gender equality. And make sure you use as much dictatorship as possible.

You're still missing the point, and this thread has nothing to do with his views on religion or any other topic. All that proves is that you can Google in order to try to discredit Ted Turner :shrug: I don't endorse or agree with all his views either.

I'm not a left wing extremist, just a woman with a pretty decent brain who has been around long enough to know and experience chauvinism and what it is, and it's my reality-not a distorted one. And the fact that I think Ted Turner makes a valid point in the original point of this thread doesn't make me a "useful idiot" either.
 
MrsSpringsteen said:
I don't endorse or agree with all his views either.
So now we're getting somewhere.

MrsSpringsteen said:
I'm not a left wing extremist, just a woman with a pretty decent brain who has been around long enough to know and experience chauvinism and what it is, and it's my reality-not a distorted one. And the fact that I think Ted Turner makes a valid point in the original point of this thread doesn't make me a "useful idiot" either.
I know you are a bright person, I've read your posts for years, and while I don't agree with them all the time, usually there is logic behind them. But perhaps we could use a definition for chauvinism.

Is it...
Opening doors for women?
Celebrating gender diversity?
Admiring mothers who spend most of their time with their kids?

There are REAL forms of chauvinism that still exist in society that have nothing to do with the examples of "chauvinism" that I gave. I agree. You don't have to paint the picture that I - or any other evil conservative :wink: doesn't recognize that, or in it's extremity - that we advocate it. But to suggest compulsive ideas, even figuratively, for society to achieve their good intentions, as Turner does, is where I roll my eyes.

What we can do as a society is create an environment that is career-friendly for women, without dwelling on past wrongs. I believe that is achievable, and that I will see it in my lifetime at large, and in fact, I have seen much of this in my lifetime. We should admire the women who have obtained positions in leadership. But should we have to degrade the opposite sex in order to level the playing field? It would have more appeal if we didn't have to dwell on negative thoughts on the opposite gender and so forth.

That is what I am getting at.
 
Macfistowannabe said:
But should we have to degrade the opposite sex in order to level the playing field?

He's not degrading the opposite sex, he's merely being refreshingly honest for a man and daring to say out loud that men don't have a monopoly on any ability, specifically the qualities necessary for leadership (Bono's Saint gave a great explanation of the issues with saying it is "degrading" or "self-loathing".) I'm not going to waste my time anymore discussing that with you, you will just continue to insist that it's degrading and self loathing. He's also merely saying that men have, for the most part, messed it up royally. One need only read a newspaper on a daily basis lately to see that. Granted people of a certain political or ideological philosophy don't see it that way.

I really don't need to define chauvinism, it's pretty self-evident. Other than the extremes, it's like that definition of porn-you know it when you see it. Actually one needn't look much further than FYM sometimes.
 
Aha- I found out via Google why Ted doesn't think straight and espouses such crazy ideas. Once again, it's all a woman's fault. Dr. Laura would love it.

"Fonda writes that her religious conversion coincided with the realization that Turner had never stopped cheating on her.

A month into their marriage, she found out he'd had a "nooner" with another woman. She confronted him and bashed him over the head with a mobile phone."


So if you don't want to think progressively about women and their abilities, keep your pants zipped and don't cheat. Thank you and have a good day.
 
MrsSpringsteen said:
Aha- I found out via Google why Ted doesn't think straight and espouses such crazy ideas. Once again, it's all a woman's fault. Dr. Laura would love it.
I've never been into Dr. Laura. Didn't she pose for Playboy, and later in life, railed on young women who followed her footsteps?

On one hand, she could be saying "Don't do this, you'll regret it later in life."

On the other, she could be a hypocrite, depending on how you see it..

But "All a woman's fault?"

We all understand that a relationship is the progression or regression based on the interaction of two imperfect equals.
 
Uh, I was being sarcastic (but with a note of realism pertaining to this thread and referencing a recent thread I started about her and her strange views on men and women). Once again you are taking things too literally, perhaps in an attempt to prove that you're right.

And humility really has so much to do with it, a truly humble man in my opinion would have no issue with what Ted Turner said.
 
MrsSpringsteen said:
Uh, I was being sarcastic (but with a note of realism pertaining to this thread and referencing a recent thread I started about her and her strange views on men and women). Once again you are taking things too literally, perhaps in an attempt to prove that you're right.

And humility really has so much to do with it, a truly humble man in my opinion would have no issue with what Ted Turner said.
The beginning arguments on the thread led me to believe otherwise. But if YOU don't take Turner's point literally, than I agree that it's a good thing.
 
"Aha- I found out via Google why Ted doesn't think straight and espouses such crazy ideas. Once again, it's all a woman's fault. Dr. Laura would love it."

^ ^ ^ ^ ^

I was being a bit sarcastic in what I said about Dr. Laura, and I was being sarcastic about that-not the whole thread.

Like I tried to explain, he is speaking in hyperbole- and I certainly DO take the underlying ideas behind what he said seriously and literally. And perhaps it might behoove some men and boys to do the same.

At this point in my life and with the state of the world, I am mighty tempted to take what he said literally. Actually 100 years might not be enough.
 
MrsSpringsteen said:
Like I tried to explain, he is speaking in hyperbole- and I certainly DO take the underlying ideas behind what he said seriously and literally. And perhaps it might behoove some men and boys to do the same.

At this point in my life and with the state of the world, I am mighty tempted to take what he said literally. Actually 100 years might not be enough.
I think you should let Chirac stay in power.

He's good at complicating things.
 
Honestly with all the gender clash

Mysoginists should sod off, as should the misandrists and the marketplace of ideas should define the course of action,

The question is what is the least bad ways to deal with
> Individual wealth
> Political representation
> Freedom of concience

I do not believe that these are held to a combination of chromosokes on behalf of leaders rather a more nuanced interaction of innumerable factorsl

I may hold cynicysm towards religion and the nature of political representtation but at this stage I still take a vaguely sexocentric view towards the fairer sex of respect and politeness to a fault - but playing politics and defining it by the sex chromosome on your fathers sperm cell is childish and petty. Debate the issues in the marketplace of ideas and leaave the biology out of it.

/end rant against gender politics.
 
Here's a thought-


THREE WISE WOMEN

would have...


Asked directions,
Arrived on time,
Helped deliver the baby,
Cleaned the stable,
Made a casserole,
Brought practical gifts,

and there would be

PEACE ON EARTH
 
A_Wanderer said:
Honestly with all the gender clash

Mysoginists should sod off, as should the misandrists and the marketplace of ideas should define the course of action,

The question is what is the least bad ways to deal with
> Individual wealth
> Political representation
> Freedom of concience

I do not believe that these are held to a combination of chromosokes on behalf of leaders rather a more nuanced interaction of innumerable factorsl

I may hold cynicysm towards religion and the nature of political representtation but at this stage I still take a vaguely sexocentric view towards the fairer sex of respect and politeness to a fault - but playing politics and defining it by the sex chromosome on your fathers sperm cell is childish and petty. Debate the issues in the marketplace of ideas and leaave the biology out of it.

/end rant against gender politics.
Way to hit the nail on the head.

Those who push sexocentric views against men are just as guilty as those who push sexocentric views against women.
 
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