Ted Haggard -- still not straight (should he just pray harder?) - Page 2

joyfulgirl · 02-06-2008, 05:28 PM

I guess I don't feel all that sorry for him (his family, yes. Him, no). As President of the National Association of Evangelicals (representing 30 million conservative Christians), he and other evangelical leaders pressured Bush aggressively for years for a federal marriage amendment (just for starters) while having sex with men. There are a lot of young men under his influence I feel a lot sorrier for. He did this to himself. He said he was conflicted his whole life. Yet he continued to exert damaging influence over a lot of truly innocent young men.

martha · 02-06-2008, 05:44 PM

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Originally posted by joyfulgirl
There are a lot of young men under his influence I feel a lot sorrier for. He did this to himself. He said he was conflicted his whole life. Yet he continued to exert damaging influence over a lot of truly innocent young men.

I know. But he's getting more pathetic every time he's in the news.

joyfulgirl · 02-06-2008, 05:50 PM

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I know. But he's getting more pathetic every time he's in the news.

You're right. I'll try to find some compassion. Maybe he'll do something good with this.

Irvine511 · 02-06-2008, 05:54 PM

i can only imagine the hell that gay men of a certain age had to live in, and i can only imagine the hell that gay men of all ages who grow up in fundamentalist (for lack of a better word) households live in.

so i do have sympathy for Ted, at least the man. Ted the political figure, no sympathy. and for the forces he worked for, no sympathy either.

could someone please explain this to me. we know FOR A FACT that sexual orientation is innate and immutable. we know FOR A FACT that these programs fail. why do the religious continue to point to their Bibles -- when it's obviously rather vague in it's condemnation of homosexuality, as Melon has repeatedly pointed out -- and ignore what is plain old common sense.

they've lost the argument. it's embarrassing. how many more Ted Haggards must there be before this ends?

U2isthebest · 02-06-2008, 05:54 PM

I feel bad for him too. He, and people in similar situations, likely have grown up in homes where they were taught from a young age that homosexuality is wrong and against God's Word. (I won't go into the misguided knowledge and sometimes completely wrong translations of said Scripture) Most people who have gone through an ex-gay movement will say that they felt an attraction to the same sex since they were young children and repeatedly tried to make it go away whether through prayer, counseling, etc. That has to seriously affect one's mental health. I see Ted Haggard as a man who felt so badly about who he is that he desperately tried to make it as difficult as possible for him to be that way.

anitram · 02-06-2008, 05:56 PM

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they've lost the argument. it's embarrassing. how many more Ted Haggards must there be before this ends?

What they routinely do is write him (and "Senator Widestance" or whatever they're calling him) off as a PERVERT so that they don't really care whether their programs work in his case or not. These people are unhinged.

phillyfan26 · 02-06-2008, 06:01 PM

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Originally posted by Irvine511
i can only imagine the hell that gay men of a certain age had to live in, and i can only imagine the hell that gay men of all ages who grow up in fundamentalist (for lack of a better word) households live in.

so i do have sympathy for Ted, at least the man. Ted the political figure, no sympathy. and for the forces he worked for, no sympathy either.

could someone please explain this to me. we know FOR A FACT that sexual orientation is innate and immutable. we know FOR A FACT that these programs fail. why do the religious continue to point to their Bibles -- when it's obviously rather vague in it's condemnation of homosexuality, as Melon has repeatedly pointed out -- and ignore what is plain old common sense.

they've lost the argument. it's embarrassing. how many more Ted Haggards must there be before this ends?

Because Diamond can find some conservative doctor to say, "We're not sure, so clearly it's a choice."

U2isthebest · 02-06-2008, 06:02 PM

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Because Diamond can find some conservative doctor to say, "We're not sure, so clearly it's a choice."

Hey, don't you tell me it's not a choice. Do you know what a struggle it is for me to wake up every morning and decide if I'm going to be attracted to males or females that day?

martha · 02-06-2008, 06:10 PM

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Originally posted by Irvine511

could someone please explain this to me. we know FOR A FACT that sexual orientation is innate and immutable. we know FOR A FACT that these programs fail. why do the religious continue to point to their Bibles -- when it's obviously rather vague in it's condemnation of homosexuality, as Melon has repeatedly pointed out -- and ignore what is plain old common sense.

Fear.

Irvine511 · 02-06-2008, 06:11 PM

let's look on the bright side.

maybe Ted met someone who was also being heterosexualized.

Irvine511 · 02-06-2008, 06:12 PM

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Originally posted by martha

Fear.

fear that God just might have gotten something wrong?

martha · 02-06-2008, 06:13 PM

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Originally posted by Irvine511
fear that God just might have gotten something wrong?

No. Just plain fear of the different.

U2isthebest · 02-06-2008, 06:14 PM

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Originally posted by martha

Fear.

How does that verse go?

"Perfect love makes you terrified of anything and everything you don't understand or have an explanation for" ....I think that's it.

U2isthebest · 02-06-2008, 06:14 PM

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heterosexualized.

Best.Word.Ever.

LemonMelon · 02-06-2008, 06:17 PM

Television metrosexualizes defenseless Christians.

LET'S BURN IT.

U2isthebest · 02-06-2008, 06:18 PM

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Television metrosexualizes defenseless Christians.

LET'S BURN IT.

I blame Ryan Seacrest.

Irvine511 · 02-06-2008, 06:25 PM

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I blame Ryan Seacrest.

if ever there were someone in need of heterosexualization ...

U2isthebest · 02-06-2008, 06:26 PM

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if ever there were someone in need of heterosexualization ...

Ryan is straight, and he wants to date me.

Don't screw with my fantasies.

Irvine511 · 02-06-2008, 06:29 PM

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Ryan is straight, and he wants to date me.

Don't screw with my fantasies.

only if that date would include shoe shopping and a nice hug afterwards.

U2isthebest · 02-06-2008, 06:32 PM

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only if that date would include shoe shopping and a nice hug afterwards.

Dude, I'll go shoe shopping with anyone.

And he'd have to at least make out with me. I can understand not wanting to take it farther than that on the first date. That's how I roll too.

02-06-2008, 05:28 PM	#21
joyfulgirl Blue Crack Addict Join Date: Apr 2001 Posts: 16,656 Local Time: 06:12 AM	I guess I don't feel all that sorry for him (his family, yes. Him, no). As President of the National Association of Evangelicals (representing 30 million conservative Christians), he and other evangelical leaders pressured Bush aggressively for years for a federal marriage amendment (just for starters) while having sex with men. There are a lot of young men under his influence I feel a lot sorrier for. He did this to himself. He said he was conflicted his whole life. Yet he continued to exert damaging influence over a lot of truly innocent young men. __________________

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02-06-2008, 05:54 PM	#24
Irvine511 Blue Crack Supplier Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Washington, DC Posts: 33,720 Local Time: 09:12 AM	i can only imagine the hell that gay men of a certain age had to live in, and i can only imagine the hell that gay men of all ages who grow up in fundamentalist (for lack of a better word) households live in. so i do have sympathy for Ted, at least the man. Ted the political figure, no sympathy. and for the forces he worked for, no sympathy either. could someone please explain this to me. we know FOR A FACT that sexual orientation is innate and immutable. we know FOR A FACT that these programs fail. why do the religious continue to point to their Bibles -- when it's obviously rather vague in it's condemnation of homosexuality, as Melon has repeatedly pointed out -- and ignore what is plain old common sense. they've lost the argument. it's embarrassing. how many more Ted Haggards must there be before this ends?

02-06-2008, 05:54 PM	#25
U2isthebest ONE love, blood, life Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Vision over visibility.... Posts: 12,332 Local Time: 09:12 AM	I feel bad for him too. He, and people in similar situations, likely have grown up in homes where they were taught from a young age that homosexuality is wrong and against God's Word. (I won't go into the misguided knowledge and sometimes completely wrong translations of said Scripture) Most people who have gone through an ex-gay movement will say that they felt an attraction to the same sex since they were young children and repeatedly tried to make it go away whether through prayer, counseling, etc. That has to seriously affect one's mental health. I see Ted Haggard as a man who felt so badly about who he is that he desperately tried to make it as difficult as possible for him to be that way.

02-06-2008, 06:11 PM	#30
Irvine511 Blue Crack Supplier Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Washington, DC Posts: 33,720 Local Time: 09:12 AM	let's look on the bright side. maybe Ted met someone who was also being heterosexualized.

02-06-2008, 06:17 PM	#35
LemonMelon More 5G Than Man Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Hollywoo Posts: 68,627 Local Time: 06:12 AM	Television metrosexualizes defenseless Christians. LET'S BURN IT.