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Old 07-11-2007, 06:20 PM   #21
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As of this post we have:

558 days
4 hours
45 minutes
55 seconds
until the end of the Bush administration. The world really can't wait that long.



Something about that timer isn't right


Oh well, it still gets the point across
I'm making a countdown to put on my desktop.

Fucking ridiculous.
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Old 07-11-2007, 07:14 PM   #22
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Why not?
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I realized this after a couple of replies in this forum.
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Why not?
Because it's a hallmark of "true believer syndrome," and a quality noted in some of the most hardcore of partisan supporters--conservative and liberal alike.

In short, no amount of evidence contrary to their belief systems will ever be enough to shake their faith.

I have to admit that there was probably a time many years ago when I felt that way about the Democratic Party; that it could do no wrong. And every time I heard something bad said about it, I automatically had a retort back dismissing it.

Nowadays, I consider neither party worthy of "belief."
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I'm saddened by how not surprised I am by this article.
I find the article probable, if only because of how politically calculated and consistently detailed it is. They are the actions and activities not all that different from a corporate PR department.
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Nowadays, I consider neither party worthy of "belief."
Personally, I find it shocking (and quite saddening) that so many otherwise intelligent and reasonable people don't reach that same conclusion.
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Personally, I find it shocking (and quite saddening) that so many otherwise intelligent and reasonable people don't reach that same conclusion.
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Nowadays, I consider neither party worthy of "belief."
I find a lot of left-leaning people feel this way. I don't find many conservatives who feel this way although that may be more because I don't know many conservatives anymore.
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Observing the Democrats and Republicans from the outside, it becomes quickly apparent that they are both useless. One may be more corrupt and disgusting than the other, but still. Very disheartening indeed.
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Well if you can wait 20 years or so, maybe I can help make the democratic party one of hope and substance again.
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The two-party system sucks.
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Observing the Democrats and Republicans from the outside, it becomes quickly apparent that they are both useless. One may be more corrupt and disgusting than the other, but still. Very disheartening indeed.
Oh it looks the same from inside the country too. Utterly delightful.
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Observing the Democrats and Republicans from the outside, it becomes quickly apparent that they are both useless. One may be more corrupt and disgusting than the other, but still. Very disheartening indeed.
Indeed. And yet viable options are so limited that one is nearly forced to go along with Democrats just to try to keep things reasonable. But with a limited definition of reasonable.
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Observing the Democrats and Republicans from the outside, it becomes quickly apparent that they are both useless. One may be more corrupt and disgusting than the other, but still. Very disheartening indeed.
The above message has been read and approved by Karl Rove. (Please, pass it on.)
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Oh please, that's such a cop out, deep.

Is there no accountability anymore?
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I don't think you support Bush and Rove

But I do believe that Rove would like people to be discouraged and think both parties are equally useless

Why?
Because he knows his core voters will always vote.

look what they are doing with the Judicial Department.





and with Alito and Roberts on the Supreme Court the country will be a lot different than if we had a Dem appointing Judges



Do you really there is no difference?
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In terms of how the game is played, sure, both parties are the same (actually the Republicans are better at playing it). But no matter what, any political party would play the game as well, if you have 2, 3, 50, etc. It's all politics, and it's been that way for thousands of years.

However, as deep stated, there are fundamental difference in beliefs, and just the slightest changes i.e. the Supreme Court show the true difference in the parties.

So, Republican, Democrat, Libertarian, Whig whatever! There will always be political parties who fall into the "same" partisanship, some years it will be worse than others, but who says partisanship is all that bad? It gets one side's agenda through, but it's only bad if its not what you agree with

All we on the left can do on this point is try to get the Dems a little more power so they can start making a real difference without the GOP blocking them. If you're so disillusioned with both parties and refuse to vote (which isn't the case for most in here, I hope), then you're only hurting yourself.

Nothing is getting done because Washington and the country are split. It's people banging heads. However, if one side were given the edge, a lot can get done. The Republicans got a lot done 2001-2005, but it's not what many of us here wanted. So people complain about both parties. If the Democrats were given that same edge, then we would see the reverse.


/off my soapbox.

I'm sure people will pick this post apart and criticize me, whatever. This is the way politics is, it has its ups and downs, and the only way to make a difference is to be involved.

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I find a lot of left-leaning people feel this way. I don't find many conservatives who feel this way although that may be more because I don't know many conservatives anymore.
Good point. The Dems have been drifting to the right for awhile now, I'd assume to swing more moderates to their side...of course the DP was never left enough for my liking but it's really gotten bad.

I think you'll find that less with conservatives because the Republicans have done a better job staying in touch with the far-right than the Dems have with the far-(or further)left. I think the Republican Party feels it has to cater to that base or risk losing those votes; the Dems don't seem to have that fear.
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Why?
Because he knows his core voters will always vote.


unless their choices are between a pro-choice, several times divorced adulterer who has no relationship with his children, dresses in drag frequently, and after being booted out of his house by his ex-wife moved in with a gay couple and their Shiz-Tsu.

or, an as-yet-not-running former Senator, known for laziness, who -- if the rumors where i (and Adam Nagourney) get our hair cut are to be believed -- has a "wide-ranging, colorful" sex life that often includes happy participants from either gender.

but good point on the courts. who knew Roberts would wind up to the *right* of Alito!
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